Micro Scrubbing Bubbles.

[MaccaPopEye]

I'm sure that it would eventually get taken out if I kept stirring it back up - but that's not quite what the claims are, and this is what I am testing :)

I don't mean you should keep stirring it up. I think by saying "stir it up" I've gotten you fixated on that.

My main point is it takes about 1 month for that detritus pile to accumulate? Well just this once get rid of the pile (by syphoning it out or mixing it up doesn't matter), keep bubbling for a month and see if you get another pile in a month.

My thinking is that if bubbling is going to have an effect it will be on the stuff still on suspension and will just help get more of it down to the sump, which would fit in with the claims. Previously some of the detritus in your tank would go down to the sump and some would end up in the pile. Maybe bubbling will help it all go down to the sump? If the latter is the case then maybe it's not quite as amazing as you hoped but it would still be working in a way.

 

[jedimasterben]

I don't mean you should keep stirring it up. I think by saying "stir it up" I've gotten you fixated on that.

My main point is it takes about 1 month for that detritus pile to accumulate? Well just this once get rid of the pile (by syphoning it out or mixing it up doesn't matter), keep bubbling for a month and see if you get another pile in a month.

My thinking is that if bubbling is going to have an effect it will be on the stuff still on suspension and will just help get more of it down to the sump, which would fit in with the claims. Previously some of the detritus in your tank would go down to the sump and some would end up in the pile. Maybe bubbling will help it all go down to the sump? If the latter is the case then maybe it's not quite as amazing as you hoped but it would still be working in a way.

I am bubbling ONLY to test that the bubbles get rid of detritus that is already in the system with no other changes being made, which in the quotes in post 914 you can see is touted over and over again. What I am not testing is if bubbles can help prevent the accumulation of detritus, someone else can test that. :)

What happens if the detritus forms and settles while bubbles are not being injected (typically 4-6 hours per day, which is 17-25% of the time)? If the bubbles cannot lift it out when it is already there, then will it not still accumulate during the time that bubbles are not being injected (just at a 17-25% slower rate)? :)

 

[Lasse]

To all who publish growth pictures before and after - consider my picture below. It shows a schematic growth picture of my A.cubicus (:)) during 300 days. My question is: between which days do I have the best growth rate in this example? The example is mathematical constructed
Consider also that when you calculate a biomass growth - the growth of a population is always exponential - you must count on compound interest.

Sincerely Lasse

 

[MaccaPopEye]

What happens if the detritus forms and settles while bubbles are not being injected (typically 4-6 hours per day, which is 17-25% of the time)? If the bubbles cannot lift it out when it is already there, then will it not still accumulate during the time that bubbles are not being injected (just at a 17-25% slower rate)? :)

Thanks gotcha now. That does make a lot more sense. I'm in the middle of a tank re-vamp now with all new acid bathed dry rock (all current LR will go into the sump and removed slowly over 3 months), and will also be going bare bottom for a little while so I am considering starting bubbling to see if it helps prevent detritus settling.

 

[Tiago Garcia]

Guys... im doing bubbles thing for a week, mainly to take out suspension detritus. Doesn't work for me.
Every day i watch the tank and every day its the same.
Or im doing this the wrong way, or doesn't work on my tank.
My bubbles setup its 1 air pump 150lt and 1 limestone close to return pump for 10h in night period. I see the bubbles inside tank during that period. After 1h of finishing bubbles i dont see any inside th DT. Until here everthing its ok. When the lights come on, its exactly the same that it was on previous day.
Maybe its me doing something wrong... i really dont know, but its not working in my tank.
My tank setup:
DT cube: 80cm x 80cm x 65 high
2 Maxpect Gyro 130
1 ATI Bubble Master 250 Skimmer
1 Aquael 3500lt return pump
1 Marine Source biopellets reactor (exit close to the skimmer)
1 Marine Source DCR-120 Calcium reactor
1 Phosban 150 reactor
1 Phosban 150 reactor (with active carbon)
1 Deltec Kalk reactor
1 Sanders 25mgl ozone conected to skimmer (10h during night period)

Like i said, my main objective it was to have crystal clear water ( free of suspension detritus) and i cant get it, even with bubbling.
This tank its new, maybe its this the main fact, its 3 months old.
I have before other reef tanks and never had problems to achieve crystal clear water, but on this one, oh boy... lol
Im not try to say bubbles metode doesn't work, i saying in my tank doesn't, or i cant put it to work.
Thats it, just my 2 cents.

 

[jedimasterben]

Guys... im doing bubbles thing for a week, mainly to take out suspension detritus. Doesn't work for me.
Every day i watch the tank and every day its the same.
Or im doing this the wrong way, or doesn't work on my tank.
My bubbles setup its 1 air pump 150lt and 1 limestone close to return pump for 10h in night period. I see the bubbles inside tank during that period. After 1h of finishing bubbles i dont see any inside th DT. Until here everthing its ok. When the lights come on, its exactly the same that it was on previous day.
Maybe its me doing something wrong... i really dont know, but its not working in my tank.
My tank setup:
DT cube: 80cm x 80cm x 65 high
2 Maxpect Gyro 130
1 ATI Bubble Master 250 Skimmer
1 Aquael 3500lt return pump
1 Marine Source biopellets reactor (exit close to the skimmer)
1 Marine Source DCR-120 Calcium reactor
1 Phosban 150 reactor
1 Phosban 150 reactor (with active carbon)
1 Deltec Kalk reactor
1 Sanders 25mgl ozone conected to skimmer (10h during night period)

Like i said, my main objective it was to have crystal clear water ( free of suspension detritus) and i cant get it, even with bubbling.
This tank its new, maybe its this the main fact, its 3 months old.
I have before other reef tanks and never had problems to achieve crystal clear water, but on this one, oh boy... lol
Im not try to say bubbles metode doesn't work, i saying in my tank doesn't, or i cant put it to work.
Thats it, just my 2 cents.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/diy-kz-coral-snow-with-97-purity.211722/

 

[Lasse]

The awful truth

Cube volume represents a population that is growing by 1% per day for 300 days. To our eye, it looks like most of the growth occurs the last 100 days. And it does it but it's just a result of a steady 1% daily growth - not any changing of circumstances. It is impossible to use such images to say something about the growth rate.

Our brain is simply fooling us and show what we want to see


Sincerely Lasse

 

[Kershaw]

Any of guys doing this have BTA? Just curious how the NEM react to it?

 

[CoralNerd]

@Kershaw
I have a rock anemone and it has shown no change from my bubble treatments. Run the bubbles each night for three hours. [emoji106] Also no change in my purple plate sponge.

 

[Kershaw]

Ok cool I started this treatment about 4 days ago. I just picked up a bta. So I stopped the bubbles. Until it finds its spot.

 

[Squamosa]

Any of guys doing this have BTA

No issues that I can see, to date.
Bubbling for 71 days!

 

[Bruce Burnett]

Maybe I am wrong but I tried it for 4 nights not enough time to give an answer on if it works but I do not want to cover the top of my tank. I did see some corals slime and have increased polyp extension but not sure if that was all from the bubbling or some other change in the tank. It has been a week since I stopped and the pe is still better. I know many people want nothing floating in the water but if you have enough water movement instead of detritus being allowed to settle on the bottom it stays in water column until filtered out. I have never had a problem with cyno or dyno and I feed heavy. Not sure if those that have the best results may have an existing problem or others have better skimmer and or water movement. The best test would be identical side by side comparisons but that is out of my current budget or need.

 

[Larry L]

my A.cubicus :)

Lasse, you need to give your A. cubicus a fancy name, like "Lasse's Limited Edition Rubikus Cubicus (TM)"! Then you could rake in the $$$ selling teeny-tiny frags. ;)

 

[Bleulove]

I'm running the bubbles at night and the corals seem to be growing quicker.

Hi.... I'm not quit getting how or what you use to make the micro bubbles, especially if you say do not put it in the sump, it should be fresh air?,.. Plz explain in detail

 

[Mpal771]

I have been following this thread and am amazed at the volume and hands on participation there is. I'm sitting this out but I am truly tempted. It's cheap. When is introduction of ox a bad thing? It creates an upward random flow pattern that can be achieved mechanically otherwise. It cleanses corals. Here's why I'm sitting it out:
1. Unless the corals being kept naturally thrive in a water/surface environment this is changing the genetic "channel". Can't see the long term good in exposing animals to conditions in which they don't naturally thrive. But this hobby is all about cheating nature so if I do it it would be for a fraction of the time some of you have the courage for.
2. Fish health. A truckload of anecdotal (and probably scientific) info about the affect of bubbles on eyes and gills. I know this has been discussed previously in this thread and my Deepwater Curacio basslets cost much more than guinea pigs. I'm even a little embarrassed to admit I own them. But I love those two and I couldn't take the chance.

I'm following this closely just for the learning value it has provided me. This hobby has great people

 

[Lasse]

Lasse, you need to give your A. cubicus a fancy name, like "Lasse's Limited Edition Rubikus Cubicus (TM)"! Then you could rake in the $$$ selling teeny-tiny frags. ;)

:p:D You have totally understand what I´m planning :p:D

Sincerely Lasse

 

[dwebb1031]

Do two of them. Set them up the same. Do it with with one and not the other. Test and compare. Photograph growth and compare.

As the person attempting to disprove/discredit the method, should it not be on you to do so. There are several people in this thread that have had success with this method. Those people are in no way trying to force you or anyone else to try this, they are however sharing their experiences. If you are so dead set against this for the "negative" or "assumed positive" effects it should be you that's proves your point. Those who have voiced this method as successful have provide information (i.e. Photos, process, and duration) I say it's now up to you to do the same to the contrary. MTC.

 

[CoralNerd]

You guys still talking about bubbles?

Let's do this name another name for bubbles. I'll start, SUDS.[emoji481] [emoji482]

 

[Reefahholic]

I'm still bubbling....

 

[fishtankpete]

I have been doing this for over a month now,I did 10hours a night for the first week and now doing 3hours a night, I have polyps on acro's that never had polyps before and my skimmer is Taking out much more crud than it ever has, my Sands cleaner and my water is crystal clear. I personally love it and would highly recommend it, and its cheap to set up.