I QTed a 2 1/2" purple tang in a 10g QT and he did just fine. He's king of the DT now.
I know that's just one example, but there's one.
I know that's just one example, but there's one.
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I respectfully disagree. This fish is totally neurological. It’s eyes are twitching uncontrollably and it continually swims in the same direction. Add the fact that outside stimuli have no effect on the fish and I believe there is no doubt a neurological problem going onNeurological conditions usually display themselves with different symptoms than those present in the video. All signs point to a stressed, scared fish. Tangs are known to swim in circles when the tank is too small.
Please don't use MB on that fish. There is no indication the fish needs it. There is also no indication of parasites, internal or external. Spinal issues are not a result of internal parasites. Do not treat prophylactically. It causes more harm than good.
MB is a good first response antiseptic, it helps very sick fish better use oxygen from the water column and helps ward off bacteria. Is it going to be particularly helpful here? No, probably not. I actually even admitted as much in the exact same post that it was mentioned but... I get what you are saying here.
Regarding internal parasites causing spinal issues, I disagree. Recently, it’s been found that *some* wrasses (not all, admittedly) that died due to apparent spinal injury were found to have internal Flagellates in the spinal column after necropsy.
As a last ditch effort, with a fish otherwise doomed with a very bleak prognosis... it might not hurt to try treating for flagellates. Again in this case, not likely... why I said either of these options would be a long-shot at best.
I also do not believe this to be a panicked tang.... Most “scared” tangs, hide. I had a kole tang that I barely saw for the first 2 weeks he was in QT because as soon as I’d enter the room he’d dart into the PVC.
I’ve never seen a frightened fish swim in endless circles with it’s eyes twitching and no response to outside stimuli...
I QTed a 2 1/2" purple tang in a 10g QT and he did just fine. He's king of the DT now.
I know that's just one example, but there's one.
I've quarantined countless tangs and seen this happen countless times in bare bottom tanks and tanks without backgrounds. He flares several times in defense after seeing his reflection in the glass. It's very obvious.
MB has zero effect on oxygen absorption. It's an antiseptic and it can neutralize cyanide. "Helps ward off bacteria". That's a classic "snake oil" comment. If it warded off bacteria, it would be used to treat bacterial infections. Which is NOT one of its' applications.
I've seen zero published research (anecdotal is not evidence) that shows internal flagellates in the spinal column. I can't tell you the number of fish I've cut open and I have NEVER seen parasites of any kind in the spinal column.
Threads like these, with responses like yours, are exactly why people kill their fish in quarantine. The fish needs to be transferred into a larger QT tank and then treated for flukes (IF that's part of your QT process. There are ZERO indications the fish has internal or external parasites/flagellates/"whatever you want to call it to make yourself sound credible").
Also, you shouldnt be comparing a Bristletooth tang with a Purple. Zebrasoma tangs display incredibly different behavior than their Ctenochaetus "cousins."
If he's truly not responding to stimuli, why hasn't the original poster shown us a video with the fish ignoring his hand in the tank? ........ Stick a net in that tank. See if he runs from it.
I totally disagree. This fish is exhibiting nystagmus which is the rhythmic twitching of the eyes. He only swims in circles to the right. Have you seen him swim straight or left even when interrupted by a hand? He continues the behavior in the dark (he’s not seeing his reflection in the dark). This fish has a brain injury that may or may not improve. The biggest tank you can buy is not going to cause improvement. If the neurological symptoms are from trauma then time may allow for improvement.
But the train conductor isn’t walking in circles to the right constantly. You have to put all the symptoms together and they add up to a neurological injuryHorizontal Nystagmus is seen in occupations such as a train conductor. Over time, the rhythmic passing of utility poles as the engine travels down the track catches the eye of the conductor as they follow it until it goes beyond the range of their peripheral vision. Over time, this creates the involuntary "bouncing" that we see.
If the "twitching" we are seeing is Nystagmus, then neurological issues, such as stroke, may be the cause.
All that being said, I still stand by my first suggestion...
Put it in a bigger tank and see what happens.
I’m sorry but this post is a little disrespectful. I don’t know enough about fish diseases to have an opinion on which of you is right or wrong. I do know @ngoodermuth has more knowledge of these things than most anyone I know. And it’s real world, put-in-practice knowledge. I think an apology is needed. Let’s not get personal please.I've quarantined countless tangs and seen this happen countless times in bare bottom tanks and tanks without backgrounds. He flares several times in defense after seeing his reflection in the glass. It's very obvious.
MB has zero effect on oxygen absorption. It's an antiseptic and it can neutralize cyanide. "Helps ward off bacteria". That's a classic "snake oil" comment. If it warded off bacteria, it would be used to treat bacterial infections. Which is NOT one of its' applications.
I've seen zero published research (anecdotal is not evidence) that shows internal flagellates in the spinal column. I can't tell you the number of fish I've cut open and I have NEVER seen parasites of any kind in the spinal column.
Threads like these, with responses like yours, are exactly why people kill their fish in quarantine. The fish needs to be transferred into a larger QT tank and then treated for flukes (IF that's part of your QT process. There are ZERO indications the fish has internal or external parasites/flagellates/"whatever you want to call it to make yourself sound credible").
Also, you shouldnt be comparing a Bristletooth tang with a Purple. Zebrasoma tangs display incredibly different behavior than their Ctenochaetus "cousins."
If he's truly not responding to stimuli, why hasn't the original poster shown us a video with the fish ignoring his hand in the tank? ........ Stick a net in that tank. See if he runs from it.
I’m sorry but this post is a little disrespectful. I don’t know enough about fish diseases to have an opinion on which of you is right or wrong. I do know @ngoodermuth has more knowledge of these things than most anyone I know. And it’s real world, put-in-practice knowledge. I think an apology is needed. Let’s not get personal please.
My statements were factual. This post was about helping and correcting incorrect knowledge. I won't apologize for correcting false information. I'm sorry you were offended by facts. Take care.
No one is offended by facts, only the presentation in which they are offered. There are many, many ways of expressing yourself/giving your opinion without being hurtful and hateful. We would just like you to find one. That’s all...My statements were factual. This post was about helping and correcting incorrect knowledge. I won't apologize for correcting false information. I'm sorry you were offended by facts. Take care.