You know I had to read this thread a couple of different times because I had a couple of different thoughts on different things but I will have to say this where I live we don't have an lfs, it is about A3 hour drive to get to one of those. So I will have to say and the defense of anybody really, I think each individual person should read learn study find out the things that you feel is right because everybody has a different opinion or a sight of what they think is right. And sometimes it's just people don't have the and sometimes are put in a situation where they should have but it's not necessarily their fault. take it upon yourself to get the right knowledge. And then when you see a wrong situation it really doesn't bug you as much because you look at it and say....I wonder why they did that and you think the equation. By the time you're done you giggle and think silly people silly silly people.