Possible disease on angel

[Andrewk5018]

Ive never really seen anything like this on one of my fish fresh or salt. Can’t tell if it's some sort of disease, stress, or maybe this happens when they start to change?

Also dont mind my insane algae outbreak, its a newer tank and i was on 2 vacations 2 weeks in a row

 

[fishguy242]

I'M sorry what are we looking at ? need more info, short video ?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Ive never really seen anything like this on one of my fish fresh or salt. Can’t tell if it's some sort of disease, stress, or maybe this happens when they start to change?

Also dont mind my insane algae outbreak, its a newer tank and i was on 2 vacations 2 weeks in a row

Need better pics- or rather closer pics under bright white lighting. Can be velvet which they are susceptible to, but need to confirm
On the algae- It will rot as its already dying and possible change chemistry of your water.
Seeing no coral on this rock, I would place it in a container of tank water and pull off as much as you can by hand and scrub the rest with a firm toothbrush and some 3% hydrogen peroxide.
Return to tank, reduce white light intensity and number of hours of white lighting and add some snails such as :
Astrea
cerith
turbo grazer
trochus

A Pencil urchin
8-10 Caribbean blue leg hermits

Are you using RODI water or tap water from the faucet ?
What is your phosphate level?
Is tank at or near a window?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Ive never really seen anything like this on one of my fish fresh or salt. Can’t tell if it's some sort of disease, stress, or maybe this happens when they start to change?

Also dont mind my insane algae outbreak, its a newer tank and i was on 2 vacations 2 weeks in a row

Given the species of fish and the way it looks, I'm betting it has Neobenedenia skin flukes. Any cloudiness/milkiness to the eyes? I can't tell from the photos, but if it has that, then I would say 100% it is Neo.

So - how to treat it? the very best treatment is hyposalinity for 35 days - no invertebrates of course. You may run into an issue though in that the hair algae may die off, causing an ammonia spike. The other option would be Prazipro, dosed 3x, 8 days apart with good aeration. You can do that with invertebrates in the tank, but it is not as effective as hypo is.

Jay

 

[Andrewk5018]

Thanks for the replies, posting them here just killed the quality but its all the white spots. Also i have a blue spot puffer and a niger trigger in here so i’m pretty sure they’ll kill any invert i put in.

 

[Andrewk5018]

Heres a good side shot

 

[Andrewk5018]

Need better pics- or rather closer pics under bright white lighting. Can be velvet which they are susceptible to, but need to confirm
On the algae- It will rot as its already dying and possible change chemistry of your water.
Seeing no coral on this rock, I would place it in a container of tank water and pull off as much as you can by hand and scrub the rest with a firm toothbrush and some 3% hydrogen peroxide.
Return to tank, reduce white light intensity and number of hours of white lighting and add some snails such as :
Astrea
cerith
turbo grazer
trochus

A Pencil urchin
8-10 Caribbean blue leg hermits

Are you using RODI water or tap water from the faucet ?
What is your phosphate level?
Is tank at or near a window?

Rodi reading at 0 tds, no window, and phos is undetectable from the algae i assume

 

[vetteguy53081]

Heres a good side shot

This helps and agree with Jay on Flukes. Neobenedenia appears as a mild haze to the eyes in some cases but hard to tell in pics. PraziPro does not always address neobenedenia but may with multiple applications. Typical treatment is
apply initial dosage known as an interval for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite

 

[Andrewk5018]

If its flukes should i just do hypo salinity? Tank stock is a blue spot puffer, niger trigger, small biota yellow tang, and some damsels

 

[vetteguy53081]

Rodi reading at 0 tds, no window, and phos is undetectable from the algae i assume

Phos often high when this much algae present.

 

[Andrewk5018]

Phos often high when this much algae present.

Yea its got canister filters on in until i get the sump setup likely next month so i’m sure they’re high. It also probably gets way too much light. I think i’m going to grab some pencil urchins too to see how it goes

 

[Andrewk5018]

Given the species of fish and the way it looks, I'm betting it has Neobenedenia skin flukes. Any cloudiness/milkiness to the eyes? I can't tell from the photos, but if it has that, then I would say 100% it is Neo.

So - how to treat it? the very best treatment is hyposalinity for 35 days - no invertebrates of course. You may run into an issue though in that the hair algae may die off, causing an ammonia spike. The other option would be Prazipro, dosed 3x, 8 days apart with good aeration. You can do that with invertebrates in the tank, but it is not as effective as hypo is.

Jay

I’m seeing 1.012 and 1.008 for hypo, what would you recommend and how fast should i get it there?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I’m seeing 1.012 and 1.008 for hypo, what would you recommend and how fast should i get it there?

Hypo salinity is 1.009 and you can bring down salinity fairly quick, but very slow when raising it. Safest is to bail a 1/2 gallon and restore with half a gallon of RO water until you achieve desired level

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I’m seeing 1.012 and 1.008 for hypo, what would you recommend and how fast should i get it there?

For Neobendenia, you only need to drop to a specific gravity of 1.012 If you have any worries about marine ich, Cryptocaryon, you could take it to 1.009, but that is more stressful on the fish.

Here is my post on hyposalinity:

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2021 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

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Jay