Quick review of ebay LED strip

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Was hunting around ebay for light strips, and found:
54w/81w/108w PopularGrow Blue White LED Aquarium Light Bar Fish Tank Plant Coral
sold by ledlightplant

So here is a quick review:

I picked up 2 of the 81w version. It's just shy of 3ft long. It arrived quickly via DHL, (less than a week), and was packaged super well. No damage at all. Comes with a few small swivel brackets for mounting to a wall or canopy, and two tiny eye bolts. There are 4 captive nuts in basically a T slot that slide around freely, so you can position the brackets wherever you want, or remove them and use the little eye bolts for wire hanging.

They claim it's waterproof. Didn't actually test it, but the quality looks good. All the seals look correct, the little power supply has one of those watertight screw connectors with an o-ring.

Comes with a simple instruction page printed in english and german. Instructions were readable and generally useful, but the whole thing is basically "plug it in, make light". It's not dimmable with the supplied power supply. Ebay listing doesn't mention this, but the instructions do, LED breakdown is:
  • 12 white (10k)
  • 9 blue (470)
  • 3 UV (430)
  • 3 Green (520)
Overall, I'm pretty impressed. For a cheap ($67 US) light strip, it was made well, and lit up nicely. I question the usefulness of the greens, and kinda wish it didn't have them, but eh. Was easy enough to assemble, and the brackets screwed into my wall nicely. I mounted mine about a foot over the aquarium, and replaced 120W of DIY stars that I had built about 4-5 years ago, that started failing, because I did a terrible job of it.

Mounted at 1 foot, I'm pretty happy with the spread. It really lit up the tank. I just needed these to supplement the big lights on my 120G, which they did quite nicely. Good spread, good color, my corals pop a little more, and I'm good.

I also tried them out on my 800, because I'm looking to fill in a few holes in my lighting where the spots don't have good coverage. I tried just setting them right on the top of the acrylic in the front of the tank, where there is very little light, and they lit the bottom up nicely (3ft deep). Purely aesthetic at that depth, but it looked good. Being only 3" off the water though, you could make out the individual colors in the water at the top of the tank, so, not ideal, but they at least were able to illuminate the bottom sand at 3 ft.

Also tried them out in the back of the big tank. Took a PAR measurement with the main lights on 25% in a bad coverage area (basically getting ambient light) and read 60. Put the lights right on the 1" acrylic over that spot, and at 1 ft depth, read about 130. This was just with a single 3ft bar. Not super powerful, but the area looked good visually.

I'll reply to this post later tonight with some pictures of the 120 with the lights powered up. Overall, I'd say these are a good value. I suspect if you got enough of them, they would be decent lights. Just one is purely aesthetic, but I'm OK with that for this use. I will probably buy 2 more of the 21" ones for use on my QT tanks, and maybe 2 more of the 48" ones for some supplemental lighting on my 800. (still debating the 800).

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Hope this is helpful to someone. I have no connection to this seller, just relaying my experience.
 

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Keep in mind the "wattage" ratings are not real..most likely..3/4 actual of the rating would possibly be ..err.. "generous"...
108=72 ish..
 
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Fair point sir. Just tested, and my Kill-a-Watt says 30 Watts for the 81 watt version. Well.. that's not ideal. :)

Either way, as an aesthetic light, I'm happy, but as a powerful light.. ehhh..

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I sometimes wonder about these transformers they use in these things. They are often rated 110/220... Specifically, I wonder if they generate half power at 110....
 

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I sometimes wonder about these transformers they use in these things. They are often rated 110/220... Specifically, I wonder if they generate half power at 110....
What is the DC output listed on it?
 

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That's because it's a constant current driver.
Adj. Voltage to keep current at 880ma.
880/3 (3 sets of 9 diodes)
So running them at 293mA
So yeah 1w each.
3.4v V(f)
 
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I sometimes wonder about these transformers they use in these things. They are often rated 110/220... Specifically, I wonder if they generate half power at 110....

If it’s a switching regulator, like it would be, this isn’t the behavior. Otherwise it would be 1/4 of the power. From listed specs the max power is simply aspirational and not at all real, which is very common with these fixtures.
 
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Quick update on this.

I purchased another set of these, this time the 3 footer (850mm) (my previous set was the 4ft ones). Once again, arrived super quickly, build quality was excellent (I realized this time, they have glass for the protector of the LED's, not just acrylic). I'm using this set over my QT tanks, as it just needs some light to keep the fish normalized.

Interesting note though, the smaller one ships with the exact same driver. So these LED's are getting more power than the last set per-LED most likely... So I guess if you got the 2ft ones, you'd be closer to the 2watt/LED range. Still not the 3w listed, but, it's something to note.

I'm still super happy with these lights, as they do exactly what I needed, even if not exactly what they advertised, and the build quality and shipping speed/packaging were all top notch.
 

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Interesting note though, the smaller one ships with the exact same driver. So these LED's are getting more power than the last set per-LED most likely... So I guess if you got the 2ft ones, you'd be closer to the 2watt/LED range. Still not the 3w listed, but, it's something to note.

I'm still super happy with these lights, as they do exactly what I needed, even if not exactly what they advertised, and the build quality and shipping speed/packaging were all top notch.

Constant current drivers output a varying voltage to keep the series string at the same current. They’re just reusing a common part - you’re not getting more power.
 

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Constant current drivers output a varying voltage to keep the series string at the same current. They’re just reusing a common part - you’re not getting more power.
It's still odd..
Assumption is IF the current output is the same and IF, as it seems, there are 9 diodes in series and x number of parallel rows there will be a MINOR increase "power".
One is 3 rows another 4 rows.
Soo .. in the 4 row unit each gets 880/4= 220mA
Assuming an approx sum V(f) for 9 diodes is 30.6V
30.6 x .220 x 4 =26.9W
3 row unit 880/3 =293mA
Assuming an approx sum V(f) for 9 diodes is 32 (V(f) will increase due to higher current)
32 x .293 x 3 =28.1W

Diode efficiency at lower current may "absorb" that power gain in terms of photons.

Correct???
Either way and unless I'm missing something THIS is pretty far from reality:
54w/81w/108w

SOMETHING is terribly wrong here..It would be ridiculous not to increase the current for the 4ft vs 3ft unit..

Actually I'm confused by the o/p as well..
I picked up 2 of the 81w version.It's just shy of 3ft long
then
I purchased another set of these, this time the 3 footer (850mm) (my previous set was the 4ft ones).
?????????????????????????????


1150 =45.3"
850= 33.4
Found their "real" ratings..
54W Led grow light bar
Rated Power: 54 W
Actual power consumption:(About)30w±3%

81W Led grow light bar
Rated Power: 81W
Actual power consumption:(About)40w±3%

108W Led grow light bar
Rated Power: 108 W
Actual power consumption:(About) 50w±3%
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5pc...4.0&pvid=eed45737-36e0-4dea-8c1c-b9d8e0f2d2d3[/quote]

soo roughly.. 1.4W each diode..
3.7V.. so I was prob low on V(f)
 
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It's still odd..
Assumption is IF the current output is the same and IF, as it seems, there are 9 diodes in series and x number of parallel rows there will be a MINOR increase "power".
One is 3 rows another 4 rows.
Soo .. in the 4 row unit each gets 880/4= 220mA
Assuming an approx sum V(f) for 9 diodes is 30.6V
30.6 x .220 x 4 =26.9W
3 row unit 880/3 =293mA
Assuming an approx sum V(f) for 9 diodes is 32 (V(f) will increase due to higher current)
32 x .293 x 3 =28.1W

Diode efficiency at lower current may "absorb" that power gain in terms of photons.

Correct???
Either way and unless I'm missing something THIS is pretty far from reality:


SOMETHING is terribly wrong here..It would be ridiculous not to increase the current for the 4ft vs 3ft unit..

Actually I'm confused by the o/p as well..

then

?????????????????????????????


1150 =45.3"
850= 33.4
Found their "real" ratings..

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5pc...4.0&pvid=eed45737-36e0-4dea-8c1c-b9d8e0f2d2d3

soo roughly.. 1.4W each diode..
3.7V.. so I was prob low on V(f)[/QUOTE]

Wow, better off with the short one, as actual power is crap.

Also 3.7Vf diodes are pretty bad technology
 

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Sorry to jump in. So, do these cheap ebay lights (all the other ones too) not use 3W diodes or is it the driver that underpowers them? I don't even know if what I wrote just makes sense. I guess what makes them think they can list the numbers that the do or is it just total hogwash?
 

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Sorry to jump in. So, do these cheap ebay lights (all the other ones too) not use 3W diodes or is it the driver that underpowers them? I don't even know if what I wrote just makes sense. I guess what makes them think they can list the numbers that the do or is it just total hogwash?

Could be lots of reasons. The most likely two are:

- diodes used are specified only to 300mA or lower currents (cheap)
- thermal solution would have no way of keeping up with 2-3x the power so everything is derated
 
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Actually I'm confused by the o/p as well..
Yeah, oops.

My first post was about the 4ft ones, the 108w set. The second post was about the 3ft ones, the 81w set. I was looking at the book to check the wattage and typed the wrong one. :)
 

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Sorry to jump in. So, do these cheap ebay lights (all the other ones too) not use 3W diodes or is it the driver that underpowers them? I don't even know if what I wrote just makes sense. I guess what makes them think they can list the numbers that the do or is it just total hogwash?

I prefer to look at it this way.. 3W is a "class" of diode. Generally reflecting the MAX possibility.
They are capable of being "on" w/ almost any wattage i.e sub-1 to 3W depending on the voltage (or current) fed to them.

Using the calculated 3.7V rating.. at 1A that's 3.7Watts.
Over their "rating" of 3W
810mA = "3w"..
Most of these cheaper Bridgelux emitters are run at no more than 550mA or so.
Like all the black box chinese lights..
2W........................

50W +/- 3% for the 4 footer..using 3.7V
Driver should be capable of :
33.3v per series string 4 strings
12.5w per 9 (1 series string)
1.5 A....
375mA per 9..
Using the 880 figure...1173mA is sort of the correct driver NOT based on the listed
"actual" wattage from the manuf. but on the lower calculated number.

12.5x 3 =37.5 W for the 36" not quite the 40W +/- 3%..
anyways "real"-ish wattage is 30,40,50W...
2 550's are stronger than one 1150 barring any more shenanigans..

IF the 48 incher came w/ an 880mA driver they sent them the wrong one..

Just get a 48v ps (100W-ish) and a Meanwell LDD and replace it.. ;)

for $20 you can get a 48V 150W power supply to run 2 48" strips..
2 LDD HW's
Sale Price: $5.99
PART #: LDD-1200HW
$32 for an "upgrade"..to 2 strips..
and be done w/ it.. Check heating.. ;)
https://www.ledsupply.com/led-drivers/mean-well-ldd-h-series-cc-step-down-mode
Both can be found here..

Change size of LDD's for smaller strips..

run all 4 off one power supply (2 36" ,2 48" , 1A..1200mA)
Sale Price: $27.99

PART #: LRS-200-48

though a bit close there..
 
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I might do that for the 2 over my tank. For the 2 over my QT tank, they literally just need to keep the fish on the right cycle. :) Thanks.
 

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Keep in mind there is NO WAY the drivers should be, output wise, identical between the 36 and 48 inch units. At the least the seller should be told.
 

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