Randy's Tank and Learn Thread

When things get out of control I’ve had good luck with micro dosing Fluconazole. UV=off, remove GAC, and dosing 1/10 recommended. Repeat in 2-3 weeks as needed

Interesting, I can’t personally bring myself to use something like that due to unwanted or unknown side effects even at such a low dose. I think the risk here is damage to the functioning refugium. If anything in it or the sumps also declines or stalls, then it is possible that those changes could amplify the problem or create new problems. Taking it offline and putting it in recirculating mode may have similar effects.

Of course Randy’s risk tolerance and/or desire to experiment may conclude differently.
 
Randy is very good at seeing the big picture. Won’t the small things be a disruption? 😀

Exactly. I’m also lazy. lol
 
I might suggest trying some Elysia species such as E. crispata. They are from the Caribbean and are relatively common here in the States.

I had a pair about 8 years ago. I lived in Hong Kong at the time and was working on nudibranch taxonomy in an academic setting. I had an overgrowth of some sort of hair algae in a frag tank and was already thinking about going out to the field collect some sacoglossans. A store had sudden had a large Caribbean import and brought a pair in. I had seen photos of this species before and made an impulse purchase. I knew they're said to eat Bryopsis online, and I had a few clumps of what I was identifying as "feather bryopsis" so I figured to give it a shot. They did a great job of eating all of my hair algae, but funnily enough never touched the "feather bryopsis". They unfortunately starved and passed after. Never touched any of the macros. Been slightly hoping to get another pair again here, but never gotten the chance. Truly beautiful animals.

1793497356174.png
1793496929494.png
 
I might suggest trying some Elysia species such as E. crispata. They are from the Caribbean and are relatively common here in the States.
I totally forgot about them. Lettuce Nudibranchs. At one point years ago they were popular among club members here in Pittsburgh and the Cleveland club. I never owned one so can’t vouch for their effectiveness other than to say that other club members kept them and swore by them.

I wonder if they too would pose a risk to Randy’s refugium? I don’t know of they readily reproduce in captive systems or not.
 
I totally forgot about them. Lettuce Nudibranchs. At one point years ago they were popular among club members here in Pittsburgh and the Cleveland club. I never owned one so can’t vouch for their effectiveness other than to say that other club members kept them and swore by them.

I wonder if they too would pose a risk to Randy’s refugium? I don’t know of they readily reproduce in captive systems or not.
I think it should be fine with enough prior research on the particular species. To my knowledge, the genus Elysia, and essentially all sacoglossans, tend to have very specialized diets that consist of only a few select species or a genera.

I have seen reports of some species that can maintain a population in captivity, but for most species I believe it isn't possible because their veliger duration is too long. However, Elysia crispata is supposedly lecithotrophic, meaning their veligers don't require food until they settle into baby slugs. If this is true, you could probably raise these like Berghia. The hair algae never did grow back though. I suspect this was because the Caulerpa finally took hold instead, so you might not need to breed them if they do a thorough job. A bit morbid, but they only like a year or two in the wild to my knowledge.

I hate doing this, but a minor point of taxonomy — they are sacoglossans, not nudibranchs. They are sea slugs though nevertheless.
 
I hate doing this, but a minor point of taxonomy — they are sacoglossans, not nudibranchs. They are sea slugs though nevertheless.
I don’t mind at all. Thank you for the correction. I never bothered to question the common name or learn much about them and would have continued to misidentify them as nudibranchs.

I suppose sacoglossan is easy enough to remember now. Off to read about sap-sucking sea slugs.
 
Thanks!

I think I’ll go with the larger sea hares as a first try . If it works, it’s a good solution. If not, it’s good to have back up possibilities.
 
5. Warm white light that is fairly bright.
Recently one of our lamps broke. We had problems to replace it with a marine led light and have to use a freshwater led light, hopefully only intermittendly. Under the freshwater led we have much more GHA growth than in the same system under marine led, similar
I understand you like the warn color temperature, but maybe a temporary reduction in red and orange spectrum would be beneficial.


Are you referring to nutrients and organic compounds already assimilated and synthesised by the coralline algae?
The skeletons of coralline algae and also of corals have concentrated nutrients compared to the water and old leached substrates, likely iron, phosphate etc..

The lower circled area reminds me of Lyngbya (sp) but could just be another type of algae. Hard to tell from the photo.

I saw your list of contributing factors for algae growth and Hans’ ideas. I thought Coralline was suppose to prevent such hair algae growth, though I would not describe the new periphyton hair algae growth. It is too complex and messy looking.
I had Lyngbya as typical grower on dead substrates when there was a more extensive die-off and the nutrients where also "disturbed". Lyngbya has a typical black-green color.

What we are looking at now is an old population in transition as the next wave of epiphytes cover the algae growth. This is when the cyanobacteria films are becoming visible, possibly the organism tangling the algae filaments. I also think there is a substantial amount of dinoflagellates and diatoms accumulating on every filament of algae and cyanobacteria.
I totally agree. Another theory: The "next wave of epiphytes" makes use of nutrient minerals and organic carbon leached by the hosts.

Randy is very good at seeing the big picture. Won’t the small things be a disruption? 😀

Exactly. I’m also lazy. lol
I call it Wu Wei or Non-Activity 😉
 
Last edited:
I ordered two 2” dolabella sea hares that are scheduled to arrive a week from tomorrow. Fingers crossed!
 
My wife will still call it lazy no matter what I call it. Lol
😄

The Tao Te Ching in parts may be read as an instruction how to watch, judge and handle complex systems. Wu Wei is one good option how to handle some problems. It applies especially well to some chemical problems and it is the opposite of chasing numbers. It means some things are balancing out on their own if you just don't disturb, they find a natural balance.
 

WHEN YOU SEE A REEF2REEF POLL, WHAT’S YOUR USUAL MOVE?

  • Vote right away, then head to the comments

    Votes: 11 42.3%
  • Read the comments first...then decide what I think

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • Vote and explain my choice in the comments

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • Dude, I just vote...I don't care about the comments

    Votes: 11 42.3%
  • Vote, then come back later to see how it turned out

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • Pick “Other” because my opinion is too nuanced to fit any of your simpleton boxes

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • I usually read the comments but exercise my right not to vote

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I always get excited about Daniel’s daily polls, obviously 😎

    Votes: 3 11.5%
  • Other (Post in the comments)

    Votes: 3 11.5%
Back
Top
Home
Post thread…
Market
What's new