Thank you. I assume white vinegar is fine to clean the pumps as well?
Vinegar works, citric acid can be a little kinder on some equipment and help it last longer, is my understanding.
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Thank you. I assume white vinegar is fine to clean the pumps as well?
You got that right lol! I hope I'm not adding to the OP's confusionWhen in doubt always ask. Sadly there will almost always be mixed advice, even more so now in the age of instant information
Edit: Not a microbiologistCurious where you learned this information about amoebas and harmful bacteria. Do you have a background in microbiology? I don't want to assume that since you've only been reefing since July that you don't know what you're talking about, but I don't know that your point is common knowledge so I'd like to know more. What strains of bacteria would you be concerned about in this case?
I would imagine the microbiome has shifted due to the increased salinity and decreased circulation. But I would think that by adding heat, circulation, regular water changes, and gravel siphoning would promote the sort of conditions that would cause the microbiome to shift back to a favorable makeup. I wouldn't throw anything other than some more live rock in for at least several weeks. I wouldn't suggest doing a water change and adding $1,000 in coral and fish right off the bat.
You got me there, my bad!The protozoan commonly known as an amoeba is a freshwater organism, and will not be found in saltwater, especially not hypersalinated saltwater, though I agree with your overall point; nasty, old saltwater = yuck city lol!
Make sense but I just read that they can't survive without oxygen. No water movement no oxygen, right?
Yeah, sorry I started the amoeba panic lolInfluence of salt and temperature in the growth of pathogenic free-living amoebae - PMC
Free-living amoebae are an extensive group of protistans that can be found in a wide variety of environments. Among them, the Acanthamoeba genus and Naegleria fowleri stand out as two of the most pathogenic amoebae and with a higher number of ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Amoebas are freshwater microbes, for the most part.... Especially under the increased salinity of your evaporated tank. Let's stop this freak-out tangent.
That being said, clean it out. It's gross. No oxygen. Dead stuff. Why risk what you want to put in there next? Rinse the sand, acid/vinegar the glass and equipment. It'll be fine. The ocean isn't a clean place, either.
I once found a live damsel when I emptied a tank after nothing to it for months, after hurricanes. Everything wasn't dead, after all!
** Awww nuts- I wish I'd seen Fish Fan's post.... Everything s/he said- YES!
My new friend, this is just untrue. No chemical reaction runs to 100%, so to say that "no" oxygen can diffuse into the water is not accurate.Water forms a layer of surface tension at the top. Oxygen cannot pierce this surface tension, hence why there must be flow to break the surface tension and allow oxygen to enter.
With great respect, I think you are speaking about organic gardening, or a hobby that's not reef keeping?? Maybe farming something green....??? Just asking, but I think that you are pulling info from another "hobby".Bacteria that we add to our tanks (nitrifying bacteria) require oxygen. Without this oxygen, they die, dead bacteria provides a food source for fungi and anaerobic bacteria (which do not require oxygen).
The search led me to a quora post that said "I think I got a brain-eating amoeba..."Yeah, sorry I started the amoeba panic lol
Dang... maybe I should exit this thread lolMy new friend, this is just untrue. No chemical reaction runs to 100%, so to say that "no" oxygen can diffuse into the water is not accurate.
With great respect, I think you are speaking about organic gardening, or a hobby that's not reef keeping?? Maybe farming something green....??? Just asking, but I think that you are pulling info from another "hobby".
2. It must be eating from back to front, (but you can still type...)
Quora is... interestingThe search led me to a quora post that said "I think I got a brain-eating amoeba..."
Being a former teacher, I already despair for this person's IQ... But I've had 3 things cross my mind, at this point:
1. You'd be too dead to post.
2. It must be eating from back to front, (but you can still type...)
3. Yes, definitely ask quora over... Say.... An emergency doctor.
Agreed. That is why we don't have anything in our systems that can hold stagnant water. If you don't run carbon or GFO all of the time, we keep some water moving through the reactor during off times.You had all the equipment OFF, right? I would completely sterilize then, water circulation is extremely important, all kinds of bacteria that you absolutely do not want will build up in stagnant water, hence why people use a powerhead and heater to culture live rock.
Stagnant water is it's own ecosystem. I'm not saying there is amoeba, but it is a great environment for them, they would be eating bacteria and other microbes.
My friend, don't "exit the thread"!Dang... maybe I should exit this thread lol
To my understanding without anything to break the surface tension, a biofilm, consisting of bacteria(live and dead) and possibly fungi forms at the top. Shouldn't have said food source there, more like the dead of the nitrifying bacteria leaves space for anaerobic bacteria to grow. Anaerobic bacteria do not require oxygen, I know that at least
The point I was trying to make is that stagnant water= bad
What kind of fish net is the "wrong one" lolMy friend, don't "exit the thread"!
I've been blasted on these forums for recommending the wrong fish net, lol!
And I personally am not saying you're "wrong". You have the right idea. Some of us just like to split hairs ;-)
You're absolutely right about braking the surface area, this adds oxygen to your system. But you can leave a 5 gallon pail of water out in your garage, and it will diffuse *some* oxygen, and microbes will persist.
I hope that helps!
I was looking for a cute pic to post, but please don't make too much of my last reply ;-)What kind of fish net is the "wrong one" lol
Absolutely. I would start completely over. Bleach rock, I would get new sand. No problem foreseen with the silicon. I would not give that a second thought. Fill tank with water add vinegar and a good power head and completely clean tank to new. Vinegar and water bath all equipment and start over.@Cichlid Dad what do you think?
In this case, I think the OP should do a bleach cure for their old rock.
Your thoughts?