Royal gramma death in quarantine tank

[Cheems]

Hello so I recently got a royal gramma, lawnmower blenny, and yellow striped goby and put them in a 10 gallon for quarantine a few days ago, unfortunately the royal gramma died today/last night. The lawnmower blenny has been here longer than the other fish and has been here for around a week or so and is very shy but seems to not be sick

the 10 gallon has a 5 gallon sump and the tank had Brooklynella in it at one point about a month and a half ago. I treated the tank and waited the fallow period. the salinity is around 1.024 last I checked and my nitrate was around 0. The only sudden change or cause for anything that isnt disease related is I added the sump a couple days ago and it dropped the temperature for a little bit and the fish seemed stressed during that. All of the fish before going into my tank had a dip in ruby rally pro for around 30+ minutes before being added to the tank without any of the lfs water.

Included will be some pictures of the yellow striped goby and the body of the royal gramma, the pictures of the royal gramma are the 2 different sides of it. The yellow striped goby is moving around but it stood still for a little bit for that video, not eating though from what I saw

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hello so I recently got a royal gramma, lawnmower blenny, and yellow striped goby and put them in a 10 gallon for quarantine a few days ago, unfortunately the royal gramma died today/last night. The lawnmower blenny has been here longer than the other fish and has been here for around a week or so and is very shy but seems to not be sick

the 10 gallon has a 5 gallon sump and the tank had Brooklynella in it at one point about a month and a half ago. I treated the tank and waited the fallow period. the salinity is around 1.024 last I checked and my nitrate was around 0. The only sudden change or cause for anything that isnt disease related is I added the sump a couple days ago and it dropped the temperature for a little bit and the fish seemed stressed during that. All of the fish before going into my tank had a dip in ruby rally pro for around 30+ minutes before being added to the tank without any of the lfs water.

Included will be some pictures of the yellow striped goby and the body of the royal gramma, the pictures of the royal gramma are the 2 different sides of it. The yellow striped goby is moving around but it stood still for a little bit for that video, not eating though from what I saw

Will be hard to determine with a dead fish but I see what looks like bite marks which could be post-death
Any loss of color or appetite before this loss?
Any yawning like behavior, heavy breathing or hiding?

 

[MnFish1]

Additionally, are you treating with medication (copper, etc) - or observation only? Just FYI - its usually consider 'best' to keep groups of fish in QT until its done - then add more, as compared to buying fish and adding them in with the others in different days/groups. What is in the sump?

 

[Cheems]

Will be hard to determine with a dead fish but I see what looks like bite marks which could be post-death
Any loss of color or appetite before this loss?
Any yawning like behavior, heavy breathing or hiding?

the royal gramma was definetely hiding a lot and only came out every once in a while. I do believe it ate but not too often. I didnt get to observe it in too much detail because it was hiding so much but I didnt see any yawning. I only had it for around 3 days

Additionally, are you treating with medication (copper, etc) - or observation only? Just FYI - its usually consider 'best' to keep groups of fish in QT until its done - then add more, as compared to buying fish and adding them in with the others in different days/groups. What is in the sump?

I am not treating with any medication at the moment and yeah that makes sense. They all came from the same lfs in the same tank system and it was only a few days apart so I decided to add them in the same tank together.

 

[AquaLogic]

Will be hard to determine with a dead fish but I see what looks like bite marks which could be post-death
Any loss of color or appetite before this loss?
Any yawning like behavior, heavy breathing or hiding?

What would yawning indicate? My goby in quarantine occasional "yawns" but it's very infrequent. No heavy breathing or hiding though. Sorry, don't mean to hijack this threat, just curious. He is currently in copper and will get a prazi treatment after copper is done.

 

[MnFish1]

What would yawning indicate? My goby in quarantine occasional "yawns" but it's very infrequent. No heavy breathing or hiding though. Sorry, don't mean to hijack this threat, just curious. He is currently in copper and will get a prazi treatment after copper is done.

Flukes. And PS - as long as you have access to the medications - and the fish are in QT, why not treat with copper/prazipro - per the protocol at the top of the forum

 

[AquaLogic]

Flukes. And PS - as long as you have access to the medications - and the fish are in QT, why not treat with copper/prazipro - per the protocol at the top of the forum

That is the protocol I am following. I am currently treating with copper, and then I will treat with Prazi. The protocol calls for copper treatment followed by prazi, or am I misunderstanding something?

 

[vetteguy53081]

What would yawning indicate? My goby in quarantine occasional "yawns" but it's very infrequent. No heavy breathing or hiding though. Sorry, don't mean to hijack this threat, just curious. He is currently in copper and will get a prazi treatment after copper is done.

FLikes and in some cases velvet
Guess I need help answering lately

 

[Cheems]

Flukes. And PS - as long as you have access to the medications - and the fish are in QT, why not treat with copper/prazipro - per the protocol at the top of the forum

if your talking to me. I dont have prazipro and copper ive heard can permanently make your tank dangerous to inverts. I was hoping to use this tank in the future for a display rather than just a quarantine.

im also still really confused on what could be going on but I guess theres not too much to go off of

 

[vetteguy53081]

if your talking to me. I dont have prazipro and copper ive heard can permanently make your tank dangerous to inverts. I was hoping to use this tank in the future for a display rather than just a quarantine.

im also still really confused on what could be going on but I guess theres not too much to go off of

All treatment should be done in a separate treatment tank leaving tank and inverts without fish for 4-6 weeks to allow and disease to die off without a host fish

 

[Cheems]

All treatment should be done in a separate treatment tank leaving tank and inverts without fish for 4-6 weeks to allow and disease to die off without a host fish

so I should treat the fish is what your saying? I dont have another quarantine tank so im not quite sure what to do and what to treat for.

 

[vetteguy53081]

so I should treat the fish is what your saying? I dont have another quarantine tank so im not quite sure what to do and what to treat for.

Ideally , all fish should be treated or at minimum given a ruby rally pro bath in a clean aerated container for 60 mins. When acquiring fish, assume all fish have something

 

[Cheems]

Ideally , all fish should be treated or at minimum given a ruby rally pro bath in a clean aerated container for 60 mins. When acquiring fish, assume all fish have something

Alright, I will try to treat them with ruby rally pro in a bath and perhaps in the tank too and see if I can get some prazipro and also treat with that. Hopefully this will prevent anything from happening further.

My only question is how long should I wait before introducing new fish to this aquarium as I was wanting to use it as a display tank but for now was using it as a quarantine

If I am treating it do I need to wait as long? Perhaps any new fish I get would benefit from the medication once it’s free of disease?

 

[vetteguy53081]

If assuming a

Alright, I will try to treat them with ruby rally pro in a bath and perhaps in the tank too and see if I can get some prazipro and also treat with that. Hopefully this will prevent anything from happening further.

My only question is how long should I wait before introducing new fish to this aquarium as I was wanting to use it as a display tank but for now was using it as a quarantine

If I am treating it do I need to wait as long? Perhaps any new fish I get would benefit from the medication once it’s free of disease?

In assuming a disease existed, at least 30 days but no sooner than 14

 

[MnFish1]

if your talking to me. I dont have prazipro and copper ive heard can permanently make your tank dangerous to inverts. I was hoping to use this tank in the future for a display rather than just a quarantine.

im also still really confused on what could be going on but I guess theres not too much to go off of

Yes - you would not use copper in a tank you wanted to put invertebrates in - and

That is the protocol I am following. I am currently treating with copper, and then I will treat with Prazi. The protocol calls for copper treatment followed by prazi, or am I misunderstanding something?

I was talking to the OP - who was 'Cheems'. ?The protocol calls for copper followed by Prazipro

 

[AquaLogic]

FLikes and in some cases velvet
Guess I need help answering lately

Well no problem then, my guys are in copper and will get prazi when they are done. I have noticed there has been no yawning since starting copper. Maybe a coincidence, maybe they were carrying velvet. Glad they are in copper just in case.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Well no problem then, my guys are in copper and will get prazi when they are done. I have noticed there has been no yawning since starting copper. Maybe a coincidence, maybe they were carrying velvet. Glad they are in copper just in case.

Remember to monitor water quality and add aeration

 

[Cheems]

Remember to monitor water quality and add aeration

Yeah I am going to do my best to monitor that. Hopefully this helps with anything that might be affecting the fish

 

[Cheems]

So unfortunately the yellow striped goby has gotten worse despite me treating the tank with ruby rally pro, I will include a picture but it has white splotches all over it and it doesn’t look good. I am thinking this is brooklynella and I am going to do a fw dip and get it into a clean tank and see what I can do

My question is should I move the lawnmower blenny who has seemingly no symptoms

 

[Uncle99]

The gramma may not have enjoyed the 10g, it’s small for this fish who wants the claim a good size territory.

Maybe the result of real estate dispute?