Self driving cars are here now

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No longer the future. Self driving cars and semi-trucks are here. Expect to see empty drivers seats on a freeway near you soon.
Prius stuck accelerator ? Pfft. Child's play.





http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-completely-driverless-truck-testing-underway

"..... in many states outside of California, there are no specific regulations either way, which means that it’s actually legal to drive and test autonomous vehicles on many roads. "
 
My opinion...scary!! 80,000 lbs. running down the road, one of those fancy cameras loses a signal, runaway truck, and Denzel Washington isn't around to chase it. Sounds like the making of another bad movie. :eek:
 
IMO it can be done.
It doesn't used wifi.All cameras & radar sensors
Mercedes equipped with electronic accelerator pedal since 1998 to now & electronic brake pedal on their Eclass up to 2003.
 
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My opinion...scary!! 80,000 lbs. running down the road, one of those fancy cameras loses a signal, runaway truck, and Denzel Washington isn't around to chase it. Sounds like the making of another bad movie. :eek:

No, they already made that bad movie .............

 
It will be a looong time before the government ever allows such a thing.

That's just it .... and why I posted the line under the video from the linked artcl that talked to Otto's CEO.
There are no government laws of any kind regarding this one way or the other outside of California.

I expect the government will step in eventually with regulations and guidelines, but completely autonomous commercial vehicles driving from hub to hub along the interstates is going to happen.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-completely-driverless-truck-testing-underway
Q&A With “Otto” Co-Founder
Backchannel discussed “Otto” with co-founder Lior Ron, an ex-product lead for Google Maps and Google’s Motorola smartphones. A partial transcript follows.

BackChannel: Why commercial transport? Is there anything more old school than a tractor-trailer rig?

Lior Ron: Because of federal regulations, a truck can only drive 11 hours a day today with a single driver. After 10 hours, the accident rate goes exponentially higher. If we can make it drive safely 24/7, more than doubling its capacity and utilization, that’s a very strong financial argument.

BackChannel: I’m guessing that navigating state and government regulations will be a big part of Otto’s future.

Lior Ron: The Department of Transportation and a lot of other great folks are getting involved in bringing the right regulations. And in many states outside of California, there are no specific regulations either way, which means that it’s actually legal to drive and test autonomous vehicles on many roads. We’re going to continue our testing with urgency but also work with regulators and other bodies to show we can have a truck drive itself more safely than a truck driver, all of the time.

BackChannel: But your technology will only work on highways?

Lior Ron: That’s right. There are only 222,000 miles of highway in the US, just 5% of the roads in the country. They’re easier to map and it’s a much more constrained problem to solve than all those city and rural streets. There are no pedestrians or traffic lights but you do drive at high speeds and you do need to see far ahead.

We’re optimizing for this kind of driving, with sensors mounted up on the cabin for a much higher vantage point. For now, all the technology is on the tractor but we might add some components to the trailer in the future.

BackChannel: When will we see the first driverless truck carrying a commercial cargo?

Lior Ron: We have the basic technology in place and are already testing it on public roads. We want to demonstrate a cargo route in the foreseeable future, to show that our technology is commercially viable. We are fully funded by employees, who came together to enjoy this and get there as soon as possible. The approach and the team we put together have the ability to do that very fast.
 
I may be wrong, but I think that there is a difference between being allowed to "drive" an autonomous car on public roads vs being able to legally SELL autonomous cars through dealerships.
In other words, it would be a long time before companies like honda or ford are going to be putting self driving cars on the road.
 
I may be wrong, but I think that there is a difference between being allowed to "drive" an autonomous car on public roads vs being able to legally SELL autonomous cars through dealerships.
In other words, it would be a long time before companies like honda or ford are going to be putting self driving cars on the road.

Errr........ they already are on the road ........ Tesla and Infiniti




 
Errr... that's not what I'm talking about.
Fully self driving with no one in the driver's seat is what you said above.
This is not commercially available.
 
Errr... that's not what I'm talking about.
Fully self driving with no one in the driver's seat is what you said above.
This is not commercially available.

ok, I will give you that, but I think it's closer than you think ....... governments tend to be retroactive on stuff like this. They will wait until something happens then come in and "save us" by rushing new regulations and laws into place.

and you also did not say "commercial" ...... you said Ford and Honda ..... and you can buy a retail vehicle today that will drive itself, whether you are in the driver seat or not. Check out time stamp 1:30 in the Infiniti video.... crazy fool climbs out of the driver's seat while cruising down the freeway
 
LOL, yeah... I'm sure you can do something dumb like that. Or while your car is self parallel parking. I dunno... my Audi doesn't do that.

When I said commercially available, I did mean retail. As in, not a private auto maker or home mechanic/hobbyist/entrepreneur.
Maybe I read your initial post wrong, but I was thinking you meant that we'd be seeing random cars on our commutes with no one behind the wheel, just someone in the passenger seat reading the morning paper.
This is what I believe is still a ways out. I do believe it's coming. But I also believe it's going to take a lot of work from the US government before you can walk into a dealership and purchase such a vehicle.
There a lot of safety and litigation issues that need to be worked out first. Not to mention getting the general public on board. Fear is going to be a major factor.

In some ways, I welcome the self driving car. So many idiots out there shouldn't even have a license, and it would go a long way in easing traffic congestion by taking out the human element.
But I wouldn't want to own one myself! I love the act of driving. I love cars. I love modified cars. I really hope that in my lifetime I never see the day that human driven cars are not allowed on the road.
 
In some ways, I welcome the self driving car. So many idiots out there shouldn't even have a license, and it would go a long way in easing traffic congestion by taking out the human element.

It amazes me the idiots on the road in Houston aren't running into each more than they do !

My point wasn't so much about driverless cars, so much as "autopilot" is coming. i like driving too, but having autopilot for long commutes and road trips would be a God send.

I do think 100% driverless "robot semi-trucks" driving from truck hub to hub on freeways only is coming within the next 3-5 years. The technology is done. It's just like you say figuring out how to legally do it and get someone to provide liability insurance for it. Can't imagine what Otto's product liability insurance will run........
 
Ya, it would be nice as an option sometimes.
I pretty much never use cruise control because I still have to sit there and steer and pay attention. Except now it's either more boring or more annoying depending on what's going on around me. :p
But if I was on one of those long car trips and I could be surfing R2R instead of driving, now that would be cool. It just has to be an OPTION, not a requirement. That I would be ok with.

Speaking of Houston... why is it impossible for people to merge onto a freeway and match their speed, rather than merging on doing 10 mpg less than the freeway???? :mad:
 
Speaking of Houston... why is it impossible for people to merge onto a freeway and match their speed, rather than merging on doing 10 mpg less than the freeway???? :mad:

they're too busy concentrating on how they are going to immediately go flying over 5 lanes to the left so they can park in the passing lane for the next 10 miles, until they almost miss their exit and come flying back over 5 lanes to the right to make it.
 
Did some more research ........

The government is on board with this and has already set out some guidelines and regulations

Government automated driving levels
http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Pr...eases+Policy+on+Automated+Vehicle+Development

NHTSA defines vehicle automation as having five levels:

No-Automation (Level 0): The driver is in complete and sole control of the primary vehicle controls – brake, steering, throttle, and motive power – at all times.

Function-specific Automation (Level 1): Automation at this level involves one or more specific control functions. Examples include electronic stability control or pre-charged brakes, where the vehicle automatically assists with braking to enable the driver to regain control of the vehicle or stop faster than possible by acting alone.

Combined Function Automation (Level 2): This level involves automation of at least two primary control functions designed to work in unison to relieve the driver of control of those functions. An example of combined functions enabling a Level 2 system is adaptive cruise control in combination with lane centering.

Limited Self-Driving Automation (Level 3): Vehicles at this level of automation enable the driver to cede full control of all safety-critical functions under certain traffic or environmental conditions and in those conditions to rely heavily on the vehicle to monitor for changes in those conditions requiring transition back to driver control. The driver is expected to be available for occasional control, but with sufficiently comfortable transition time. The Google car is an example of limited self-driving automation.

Full Self-Driving Automation (Level 4): The vehicle is designed to perform all safety-critical driving functions and monitor roadway conditions for an entire trip. Such a design anticipates that the driver will provide destination or navigation input, but is not expected to be available for control at any time during the trip. This includes both occupied and unoccupied vehicles
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Study on Human Factors and Automated Driving
http://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/NVS/Crash Avoidance/Technical Publications/2015/812182_HumanFactorsEval-L2L3-AutomDrivingConcepts.pdf
 
As a car guy, this will never replace my driving!!

Cool technology until it malfunctions or people hack it though.
 

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