Seriously?

[Dcal]

Here’s a old old picture

Is there a new most expensive one now that GMK have dropped a bit

 

[Opus]

I'm not sure why you didn't just post the strat from his website. I think he lost his colony and I haven't seen anyone else have them for sale in years. I saw one in person that zoanthids.com had and that was the brightest zoa I have ever seen. I could see it glowing from across the room. That was when they were $200/polyp.

 

[Opus]

My main problem with buying that is that the prices on new corals come crashing down one the market is saturated so id rather just wait a year

That seems to never be the case on the zoas I like. JF A##craks, JF Bloodshots and Halls have seemed to go between $100-$200/polyp for 5 plus years.

 

[homer1475]

$3K PP That is absolutely insane, and any one paying that price is also insane!

Someones smoking the good stuff, and obviously not sharing.

People trying to get rich quick is what is driving people out of this hobby.

Anyone remember when any zoa could be had for around $10 a frag that had a couple polyps on it? maybe even 20 or $30 for a couple polyps if they were a named piece. Noe everything has a crazy name, and crazy price tag to go along with it.

People really have gone off the deep end on prices, and we as hobbyists have gone right along with them as we continue to pay these exorbitant prices.

And they just keep going up.

 

[Reefing_addiction]

I'm not sure why you didn't just post the strat from his website. I think he lost his colony and I haven't seen anyone else have them for sale in years. I saw one in person that zoanthids.com had and that was the brightest zoa I have ever seen. I could see it glowing from across the room. That was when they were $200/polyp.

Probably because they didn’t catch my eye. The actual point to my post was just to discuss the absurdity of any of those prices.

no way I’d ever pay that much for a Zoa.

I didn’t pay that much for my dogs or cats combined!

And yes I know it’s different you can frag them if you want and sell. But that’s not what I got into this hobby for and I certainly didn’t get into it to go broke

 

[Opus]

$3K PP That is absolutely insane, and any one paying that price is also insane!

Someones smoking the good stuff, and obviously not sharing.

People trying to get rich quick is what is driving people out of this hobby.

Anyone remember when any zoa could be had for around $10 a frag that had a couple polyps on it? maybe even 20 or $30 for a couple polyps if they were a named piece. Noe everything has a crazy name, and crazy price tag to go along with it.

People really have gone off the deep end on prices, and we as hobbyists have gone right along with them as we continue to pay these exorbitant prices.

And they just keep going up.

I remember paying $30 for rocks with 100 zoas on it, maxima clams for under $20 and you would buy ricordia's on rocks and pay by the weight of the rock not by how many ricordia were on it. I also remember ORA sending the "mis-barred" clowns and other clowns we now call designer for free with orders because they didn't know what to do with them.

IMO it has been the convergent of several things that happened 10 to 15 years ago. First you had cheap easy photography, especially close up shots. How are most of these corals shown now, very close up shots. You always see the acropora shots where you can count the points on the extended polyps or see every detail on a zoa. When you are looking at your tank you can't see all that. But that is what we are shown when you are buying and that is what our brain processes. Second you had the LED lights hit the market which made corals pop like they have never done before. This is mainly a guy hobby for some reason and guys like the "pop" or "glow" for some reason. See how every guy that builds his own computer these days has to have all the led lights in it to make it "pop" and "glow". Add to these 2 things the ability now to frag most corals and the "invention" of the frag swap. People start seeing dollar signs or at least a way to help pay for their hobby. Then on top of the frag swap along comes social media and an easy selling platform that is cheap and you have a lot of "garage" sellers popping up. All these things really increased the hobby base. I would love to see some numbers on how many hobbyist there are today vs 2010 and 2000. I wouldn't be surprised if you told me it has doubled or tripled since 2000. With all the influx of new blood, the make up of the type of person that is a hobbyist has changed. I remember in the late 90's and early 2000's, cheap seemed to be a good description of the average hobbyist. Maybe it is just a R2R persona, but I don't get that vibe anymore, even locally. Why that is I don't know. It could be the average hobbyist is now someone that makes a lot more money or it could just be we are more conditioned to higher prices and are just willing to pay them. I really don't gripe much about the prices because as long as vendors post a $500 torch and it sells in a couple of minutes, I can't blame them for doing it. I'm not ashamed to say if i had a tank full of them I would be posting away.

 

[sunken3]

I remember paying $30 for rocks with 100 zoas on it, maxima clams for under $20 and you would buy ricordia's on rocks and pay by the weight of the rock not by how many ricordia were on it. I also remember ORA sending the "mis-barred" clowns and other clowns we now call designer for free with orders because they didn't know what to do with them.

IMO it has been the convergent of several things that happened 10 to 15 years ago. First you had cheap easy photography, especially close up shots. How are most of these corals shown now, very close up shots. You always see the acropora shots where you can count the points on the extended polyps or see every detail on a zoa. When you are looking at your tank you can't see all that. But that is what we are shown when you are buying and that is what our brain processes. Second you had the LED lights hit the market which made corals pop like they have never done before. This is mainly a guy hobby for some reason and guys like the "pop" or "glow" for some reason. See how every guy that builds his own computer these days has to have all the led lights in it to make it "pop" and "glow". Add to these 2 things the ability now to frag most corals and the "invention" of the frag swap. People start seeing dollar signs or at least a way to help pay for their hobby. Then on top of the frag swap along comes social media and an easy selling platform that is cheap and you have a lot of "garage" sellers popping up. All these things really increased the hobby base. I would love to see some numbers on how many hobbyist there are today vs 2010 and 2000. I wouldn't be surprised if you told me it has doubled or tripled since 2000. With all the influx of new blood, the make up of the type of person that is a hobbyist has changed. I remember in the late 90's and early 2000's, cheap seemed to be a good description of the average hobbyist. Maybe it is just a R2R persona, but I don't get that vibe anymore, even locally. Why that is I don't know. It could be the average hobbyist is now someone that makes a lot more money or it could just be we are more conditioned to higher prices and are just willing to pay them. I really don't gripe much about the prices because as long as vendors post a $500 torch and it sells in a couple of minutes, I can't blame them for doing it. I'm not ashamed to say if i had a tank full of them I would be posting away.

couldn't agree more. what used to be frags are now "colonies"... and in the old days (.. lol, you know when movies were a nickel) - i would by those baseball size frags for $30-40.

 

[Opus]

$3K PP That is absolutely insane, and any one paying that price is also insane!

Someones smoking the good stuff, and obviously not sharing.

People trying to get rich quick is what is driving people out of this hobby.

Anyone remember when any zoa could be had for around $10 a frag that had a couple polyps on it? maybe even 20 or $30 for a couple polyps if they were a named piece. Noe everything has a crazy name, and crazy price tag to go along with it.

People really have gone off the deep end on prices, and we as hobbyists have gone right along with them as we continue to pay these exorbitant prices.

And they just keep going up.

You saw he has a power point presentation he will sell you for $89 (normally $225?) on how he gets the colors in his acros?

 

[Dcal]

You saw he has a power point presentation he will sell you for $89 (normally $225?) on how he gets the colors in his acros?

what a deal!!!!

 

[Paulie069]

A fool and his money are soon parted
I just revived this all pink mushroom from a buddy for free

 

[fish farmer]

I remember paying $30 for rocks with 100 zoas on it, maxima clams for under $20 and you would buy ricordia's on rocks and pay by the weight of the rock not by how many ricordia were on it. I also remember ORA sending the "mis-barred" clowns and other clowns we now call designer for free with orders because they didn't know what to do with them.

IMO it has been the convergent of several things that happened 10 to 15 years ago. First you had cheap easy photography, especially close up shots. How are most of these corals shown now, very close up shots. You always see the acropora shots where you can count the points on the extended polyps or see every detail on a zoa. When you are looking at your tank you can't see all that. But that is what we are shown when you are buying and that is what our brain processes. Second you had the LED lights hit the market which made corals pop like they have never done before. This is mainly a guy hobby for some reason and guys like the "pop" or "glow" for some reason. See how every guy that builds his own computer these days has to have all the led lights in it to make it "pop" and "glow". Add to these 2 things the ability now to frag most corals and the "invention" of the frag swap. People start seeing dollar signs or at least a way to help pay for their hobby. Then on top of the frag swap along comes social media and an easy selling platform that is cheap and you have a lot of "garage" sellers popping up. All these things really increased the hobby base. I would love to see some numbers on how many hobbyist there are today vs 2010 and 2000. I wouldn't be surprised if you told me it has doubled or tripled since 2000. With all the influx of new blood, the make up of the type of person that is a hobbyist has changed. I remember in the late 90's and early 2000's, cheap seemed to be a good description of the average hobbyist. Maybe it is just a R2R persona, but I don't get that vibe anymore, even locally. Why that is I don't know. It could be the average hobbyist is now someone that makes a lot more money or it could just be we are more conditioned to higher prices and are just willing to pay them. I really don't gripe much about the prices because as long as vendors post a $500 torch and it sells in a couple of minutes, I can't blame them for doing it. I'm not ashamed to say if i had a tank full of them I would be posting away.

I was thinking the same thing.....CLOSE UP many corals look AMAZING.....are you going to be 1 foot from your tank while viewing? Those would look like green dragon's eyes in my tank from several feet away.

 

[Opus]

I was thinking the same thing.....CLOSE UP many corals look AMAZING.....are you going to be 1 foot from your tank while viewing? Those would look like green dragon's eyes in my tank from several feet away.

Actually I'm one of those people that are 1 foot away. I don't sit in a chair across the room and admire it. I stand by it and look at it, usually I'm looking down in it. That is why I rarely clean the front glass of my tank, I never look at it thru the glass.

 

[Opus]

A fool and his money are soon parted
I just revived this all pink mushroom from a buddy for free

So just because someone buys something you think they paid more than it is worth they are a fool? I'm sure there are millions of people that look at our hobby (many that can't afford it) and say the same thing about us.

 

[Paulie069]

So just because someone buys something you think they paid more than it is worth they are a fool? I'm sure there are millions of people that look at our hobby (many that can't afford it) and say the same thing about us.

Of course they do it’s human nature to judge others different than you. But the only real judgement that matters ever is the one you get from GOD when the time comes All the others don’t mean S$&@
God bless my friend and my opinion doesn’t mean squat either