Beerman , Is it cool that we talk soon maybe give me a call and we can set up shipping. Is the rest of the group ok with you taking over the grow-out? Just for you guys who are still in it I thought I'd take myself out, pay for and send the four chalices that survived from the 7 total SD sent me. I will take myself out of the grow out and do not want anything in return. I will also send a couple frags to add to your grow-out that you'll like. Prob. not chalices but you'll like them. You guys I feel really bad that this turned out the way it did with SD the main grower and paint guy taking his cut and running. Either way if I fragged them ( the ones I have) and they died I would feel worse and I have yet fragged any of mine so I still have some learning to do before I would feel comfortable. I beleive beerman has been in the hobby for a long time and beleive he is the best one for the job to still have a point of sale. grow-out. Plz let me know b4 it gets to cold. Thanks John