Stability Of Hanna Alkalinity Reagent

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Back to the drawing board, making the alkalinity reagent fail..
My recollection is that the failures of stability were noted early after the release of the test, and possibly they redid the formula shortly after. As they have with multiple other recently released tests. Ammonia & Mg for example.

The EU vs US chemical difference is the other suggestion that sounds plausible to me.
 
My recollection is that the failures of stability were noted early after the release of the test, and possibly they redid the formula shortly after. As they have with multiple other recently released tests. Ammonia & Mg for example.

The EU vs US chemical difference is the other suggestion that sounds plausible to me.
Now there’s an idea that I haven’t considered. The problem might not exist anymore
 
Now there’s an idea that I haven’t considered. The problem might not exist anymore
checkable idea at least. Just have to get a couple of the people who most clearly noted instability to give a new bottle another shot over a few months.
 
Might be unrelated but I used to use Red Sea alkalinity pro kit, and I saw the floating slime/particles in the reagent of a new test kit. I contacted them and sent pictures and they said the reagent is bad and they sent me two replacement bottles.

What is this stuff? Does it mean the reagent will give false results?
With the Hanna tester I use glass vials to store the reagent, and the first thing I do is remove the floaters with the syringe. I have not seen any notable change in chemical accuracy when the reagent initially contained floaters.

But, if they are not removed, and a floater happens to be in the light beam when the tester is sampling the color, the floater can significantly alter the result by physically blocking some of the beam.


BTW - Good point that the drift issue may no longer be a problem. I'm in, and will try to duplicate the previous results over the next 60 days.
 
I question if the reagent is a homogenous mixture and stays that way while stored. I swirl the bottle around before every test and haven’t had an issue. The longest I have had a bottle previously opened and stored is about 3 months, and I estimate that I have used about 20 bottles of reagent since I’ve owned the HI772 checker. Even down to the last test, it is within the margin of error when compared to my other tester. But it could be coincidental as well.
I do the same. I swirll all reagents around just a bit prior to use. Nobody ever told me to do that, I guess I just do it for piece of mind that nothing is settled on the bottom.
 
This is a follow-up to my post regarding my solution to the apparent drift over time of the Hanna Alkalinity Test. I believe I witnessed the drift years ago, and began using small 10ml glass vials to store the reagent. With that change the drift seemingly disappeared.

In an attempt to recreate the drift, I performed a full reagent bottle of tests (24) over the last three months, and compared the results of the reagent stored in the Hanna bottle to the results from reagent stored in my 10ml glass vials. Both methods used reagent from Lot 1293, and a commercial alkalinity standard was used at the beginning and end of the test for calibration and verification.

The number of days into the test, test date, alkalinity of each test, and difference was recorded. The difference between the tests verses time was plotted. The test ran until the reagents were consumed.

AlkResults.png


At no point during the test was there any significant difference between the two test methods. All of the tests tracked within 0.1 dKH of each other. Verification of both tests to the alkalinity standard at the end of the test revealed that neither reagent drifted.

The cause of the apparent drift remains a mystery.
 
This is a follow-up to my post regarding my solution to the apparent drift over time of the Hanna Alkalinity Test. I believe I witnessed the drift years ago, and began using small 10ml glass vials to store the reagent. With that change the drift seemingly disappeared.

In an attempt to recreate the drift, I performed a full reagent bottle of tests (24) over the last three months, and compared the results of the reagent stored in the Hanna bottle to the results from reagent stored in my 10ml glass vials. Both methods used reagent from Lot 1293, and a commercial alkalinity standard was used at the beginning and end of the test for calibration and verification.

The number of days into the test, test date, alkalinity of each test, and difference was recorded. The difference between the tests verses time was plotted. The test ran until the reagents were consumed.

AlkResults.png


At no point during the test was there any significant difference between the two test methods. All of the tests tracked within 0.1 dKH of each other. Verification of both tests to the alkalinity standard at the end of the test revealed that neither reagent drifted.

The cause of the apparent drift remains a mystery.

Interesting. Thank you! I had multiple cases of the reagent going bad and giving bad results. I started keeping it in the fridge and it seemed to better after that. I have no idea what the fridge did, maybe nothing and the drift was solved by Hanna.
 
This is a follow-up to my post regarding my solution to the apparent drift over time of the Hanna Alkalinity Test. I believe I witnessed the drift years ago, and began using small 10ml glass vials to store the reagent. With that change the drift seemingly disappeared.

In an attempt to recreate the drift, I performed a full reagent bottle of tests (24) over the last three months, and compared the results of the reagent stored in the Hanna bottle to the results from reagent stored in my 10ml glass vials. Both methods used reagent from Lot 1293, and a commercial alkalinity standard was used at the beginning and end of the test for calibration and verification.

The number of days into the test, test date, alkalinity of each test, and difference was recorded. The difference between the tests verses time was plotted. The test ran until the reagents were consumed.

AlkResults.png


At no point during the test was there any significant difference between the two test methods. All of the tests tracked within 0.1 dKH of each other. Verification of both tests to the alkalinity standard at the end of the test revealed that neither reagent drifted.

The cause of the apparent drift remains a mystery.
Thanks for the confirmation!
 
Appreciate all the research here, it took me a long time to realize some of my all changes were due to the differences between bottles. Now every time I open a new bottle, I run one test with the old and one with the new to know the difference.

For example, if I’ve been steadily at 8.5 and the new bottle is 8.0 then I know to aim for a consistent 8.0
 
I stopped using the Hanna alk tester a while back. I always got a thick snot in the reagent bottle and as soon as that happened the test wasn’t accurate anymore. I did not swirl the reagent nor refrigerate it to see if it would be better. It wasn’t worth my time for something I couldn’t trust the accuracy on if i can just do a typical drop test that’s faster for the same accuracy.
 
since i no longer remove the seal cap and use a syringe with a needle to take the 1ml.
i have the impression that it is more stable...
the shift seems smaller. (Gap between old and new bottle)
No refrigeration ...
but i didn't document it...
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Confirmation...

LOT:1081
EXP: 11/2024... 135PPM
VS
LOT:1810
EXP:11/2025... 135PPM

Keep at room temperature (basement) 70-80f
No doubt in my mind... use a syringe... :beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes:
 
Confirmation...

LOT:1081
EXP: 11/2024... 135PPM
VS
LOT:1810
EXP:11/2025... 135PPM

Keep at room temperature (basement) 70-80f
No doubt in my mind... use a syringe... :beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes:
Ditto. I also started doing this per the original poster. I just opened a new bottle of reagents and it precisely matched the bottle I just emptied. Awesome tip
 

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