These torches seem to be more trouble than they are worth. I have had 4 torches that seem to be doing just fine, growing etc then out of the blue experience polyp bailout. The last one just succumbed to bjd after being fine for 6 months. I have 1 indo gold torch yet, looks healthy but who knows. My other 2 frogspawn and 2 hammers are all healthy and thriving. I really love the torches but am apprehensive to keep throwing hard earnef cash at them.