Whitespotted grouper

[twlawrenceko]

Head & Lateral Line Erosion "HLLE":

Symptoms - HLLE literally looks as though the skin is rotting or peeling off the fish. Affected areas usually include the face and lateral line, and may be white in color.

Treatment options - This is more of a condition than an actual disease. Since no one can agree on the exact cause, all you can do is address all of the following theories regarding HLLE:

1) Stray voltage - Use a titanium ground probe & test your tank for stray voltage.
2) Running carbon - Don’t use it, or use only premium grade carbon.
3) Nutritional deficiency - Feed high quality nutritional foods. Some have had success reversing the effects of HLLE by soaking food in “fish vitamins” and also feeding nori.

Hi Humblefish,

I have a whitespotted grouper, it hasn't eat any food for three months, but before three months, it has swallow a live fish. Before I treat it with a Seachem Vitality, it has serious rot fin. But now I think it's better.

I'm not sure if this counted as HLLE, it has been like this for a long time.

The top of the head is pretty obvious.

 

[melypr1985]

Hi Humblefish,

I have a whitespotted grouper, it hasn't eat any food for three months, but before three months, it has swallow a live fish. Before I treat it with a Seachem Vitality, it has serious rot fin. But now I think it's better.

I'm not sure if this counted as HLLE, it has been like this for a long time.

The top of the head is pretty obvious.

That does look like serious fin rot and feeding him vitamins is a good idea - Vitality is a vitamin supplement. Has he been like this for 3 full months? This isn't HLLE, and I believe some antibiotics may be in order here - in a QT.

 

[twlawrenceko]

That does look like serious fin rot and feeding him vitamins is a good idea - Vitality is a vitamin supplement. Has he been like this for 3 full months? This isn't HLLE, and I believe some antibiotics may be in order here - in a QT.

This is better than 1 month ago. But it's not eating any food …

 

[melypr1985]

This is better than 1 month ago. But it's not eating any food …

He might not eat until he's healed up. Try live foods or soaking the food in a bit of garlic to get a feeding response.

 

[Humblefish]

@twlawrenceko I moved these posts into their own thread and into the Predatory Fish forum.

After reading info from this link, I'm thinking some of the behavior you are seeing is normal for this fish: http://animal-world.com/encyclo/marine/groupers/whitespotted.php

 

[cu455]

Looks a little beat up. Anyone picking on it? any other groupers in the tank? I would move it into it's own tank and heal it up.

 

[twlawrenceko]

@Humblefish I think mine grouper is not as well as I thought. It swallowed the live fish meat with less than 5 sec 3 months ago, but now it doesn't want to eat live fish meat, I tried it yesterday, and it was looking at it. At first it was a little bit exciting, but after 5 minutes, it doesn't care anymore. I can see the stomach is not full anymore, and it has a little bit dent. What can I do right now?

 

[rayn]

Live fish meat, as in live fish? or as in it was live?

Try a ghost shrimp. Something small and alive that might peak his interest. You can also guy load the shrimp with food and vitamins that will get into the grouper.

 

[Humblefish]

Try a ghost shrimp. Something small and alive that might peak his interest. You can also guy load the shrimp with food and vitamins that will get into the grouper.

@twlawrenceko ^^^ I would try this!

 

[twlawrenceko]

Live fish meat, as in live fish? or as in it was live?

Try a ghost shrimp. Something small and alive that might peak his interest. You can also guy load the shrimp with food and vitamins that will get into the grouper.

It was live fish meat. I have this kind shrimp now. I think it may be too small...

 

[Duke4Life]

It was live fish meat. I have this kind shrimp now. I think it may be too small...

That's brine and yes probably a little 2 small. Can you get ghost like suggested above?

 

[twlawrenceko]

So I think I can try to buy this shrimp first,

So if I add too much vitality, will it be a disadvantage for the shrimp?
Although I'm still feeding this to grouper, but I am still curious about this. And should I feed the shrimp some food first?

 

[rayn]

Feed the shrimp first. Pellots, flake, just soak their food in vitamins. When he eats the shrimp he will get the vitamins from them.

 

[twlawrenceko]

Besides this, what vitamin can I also treat it to heal up faster?

 

[rayn]

Selcon, vitamin C. These would be good starts to soak the food in. Could dose vit c in the water as well

 

[twlawrenceko]

Selcon, vitamin C. These would be good starts to soak the food in. Could dose vit c in the water as well

Now I add Seachem Vitality twice a week

 

[rayn]

Now I add Seachem Vitality twice a week

That looks like a long term dosing for long term tanks and fish. You want a quicker dose for your fish to help it heal.

@Humblefish is already in here, but @Lionfish Lair is good with meds too.

 

[Lionfish Lair]

Rayn, I think you covered all the ground. Get some ghosties and dose vitamin C. Vitamin C is an important vitamin for healing and collagen formation.

 

[twlawrenceko]

Where can I get Vitamin C for it?

 

[rayn]

Brightwell aquatics sells a vit c in a liquid form. I have heard of other crushing vit c tablets though.