Friends don't let friends accept super duper tiny frags

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It was mpoletti that said "Friends don't let friends accept super duper tiny frags". As funny as the statement is, it should be true but at times unavoidable.

There are really only three scenarios you usually obtain a frag. You either buy, trade or receive a frag for free. This statement should hold through to every scenario. Some may argue that "free is free" or as long as you are aware of the size of the frag before the trade or purchase it's acceptable. I've even been caught saying the latter. It's never acceptable when I sit here and think about.

I guess I need to state why small/tiny frags are bad. In general, it's widely agreed upon that the smaller the frag the worse chance of survival it has. That's not to say a large frag or colony can't die but tiny/small frags tend to have worse survival rate. Your tank parameters are NEVER the same as where the frag is coming from (unless your'e trading/selling to yourself which is odd). Tank parameters include but are not limited to flow, lighting, water quality, PH, salinity, etc. The quality and health of the frag is what makes it survive in your tank.

Now I can explain why it's a poor choice to accept a tiny frag regardless if you were aware or not. This promotes poor propagation tactics. Although we have reefs for enjoyment we are also responsible for these living things. The future reefs in the ocean and in our tanks rely on good propagation tactics. Coral are living, sensitive organisms. It's our job to encourage good propagation tactics. By accepting tiny frags you are encouraging vendors and individuals to keep this poor tactic.

Sadly some people don't care. Roughly 5 months ago I received the frag posted below. According to the vendor "All of our frags are also stated as 1 eye 1/2-3/4 inches." Well you can clearly see that is nowhere near. I provided the following photos and I didn't get much more than a sorry. The sad part is that 5 months later with little to no growth this frag died. Regardless of how long I had this it had little chance from the start.

The moral of all of this is stop accepting small frags. Call vendors out on it. Demand your money back. Dispute your payment. Stop poor propagation tactics.

The size of frag is different depending on the type of coral. I'm not going to try and dictate a size. That's for you to decide.

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Thats being cheap,by all means.I wouldnt order again if I got that bugger.I would only get 1 peice like that,and that would be flame thrower,but I would want it to be fully healed with a rim growing on it.
 
WOW, now thats a small frag! hahahahaha!!!!! Thats nuts!

I can't believe someone would have the nerve to give a frag that small...... :cry:
 
wow....thats a little ridiculous.i would never buy from that vendor again if i got that.i might even call them out on it so no one else gets ripped.
 
I'll pay $1 for that size of a frag..hehe. I wonder how big is the colony..LOL.
 
Pre warning, I've seen a-lot of threads like this made, please don't get crazy in it or else it will be closed.

I admit, that's tiny. I also admit I've received frags of similar size, however all of mine have survived and grown considerably larger. Although with frags of this size there's more to go around, it does suck receiving them that small.
 
The point here is survival rate not about getting ripped off.... Corals of that size have a low survival rate is what this about...
Let's not get it twisted just share the knolodge and well being of these animals...;)
 
Troylee is correct. I didn't mention the vendor because that's not what this is about. Did it suck, yeah. I just want poor propagation tactics to stop. We are the guardians of the reef.

If people are getting crazy, closing my thread doesn't help anything. Please remove their posts. My post has a point behind it.
 
Point taken Agent and let's keep this on topic. The topic is FRAG BIGGER!!! ;)
 
Troylee is correct. I didn't mention the vendor because that's not what this is about. Did it suck, yeah. I just want poor propagation tactics to stop. We are the guardians of the reef.

If people are getting crazy, closing my thread doesn't help anything. Please remove their posts. My post has a point behind it.

Will do :)

I am definitely wanting larger frags as well!
 
Here are opinions that can be given in this thread:
How you would handle receiving a similar frag?
What size frags do you feel are acceptable for each type?
What size do you think the coral health becomes question?
etc..

Again, if you have specific feedback about specific vendors/individuals shipping coral that is unacceptable please post your feedback in the appropriate section.
 
Sorry,my fault guys,I agree,LETS FRAGMENT BIGGER!

Lets start cutting 4 eyed Watermelons and selling them for the price of one eye...lol
 
How you would handle receiving a similar frag?
I will start with leaving negative feedback. Sure if it's shipped on a timely manner they will get thumbs up for that, but thumbs down for small frag.

What size frags do you feel are acceptable for each type?
SPS 3/4"+
LPS 1/2"+
Softies, seem to be fine with single polyps and they reproduce fast.

What size do you think the coral health becomes question?
I don't think size matters as much as given time to heal. For instance if it's a chalice you can obviously tell if it's a fresh cut when the rim hasn't grown back yet and you can see the skeleton.
 
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I haven't done much fragging and selling since I just set up my tank again recently and just acquired frags myself...
I can tell you this much... The frags I have got have been all different sizes and shapes and the bigger they are the faster they grow and color up in my exp....

It seems like my smaller ones stay stay small and don't do much for 3 to 6 months and then they take off!!!! The bigger frags 1-1/2" on up and multi branch frags settle right in and take off...;)
 
In the future not only will I leave negative feedback about their poor propagation tactics but I would demand my money back. I'd also consider disputing my paypal payment if the only answer I got was sorry. I try to get wysiwyg pictures with some sort of size reference (egg crate, size of frag plug, etc). Any vendor/individual that takes pride in what they are doing AND values you as a customer should have no problem taking a few minutes to snap a few pictures. They don't have to be great pictures.

Chalices: 1-2" - 3/4" (this should include an adult eye and enough flesh healed around it). Few should be to the smaller side and most should be to the larger size. This is also 3/4" x 3/4" not 3/4" x 1/8".
Most SPS (sticks): 1" most sticks won't take off until the base is encrusted. Bonus points for healing them till they do
Other LPS (acans, lobo, blasto, etc.): 1 full adult head (1/2 heads don't count as full heads)
Favia/acan echinata: 2-3 heads
Symphyllia: 2"+
Zoa's: 1 adult polyp although it would be nice to see a 2 polyp minimum
Other softies: 1"+

I agree with Ryan that healing time is very important but I do believe coral size plays a factor into overall health and speed of growth. For starters and eye is important. For chalices anything under 1/2" is questionable. Even in my case where it lived for 5 months it never really grew and decided to give up one day. It had plenty of time to "heal" but he overall size left the coral with poor health.
 
Man I thought that was coraline algae. I have never experienced getting something so small but what I can say is thats ridiculous no ones saying add extra eyes but there is still coral around the eyes jeez I have to give props to Victor at WWC they had a frag about that size of the infamous My Miami it was 1 eye got fragged wrong by mistake and I asked the price and he said 200 but quickly told me I really dont want to sell it to you because the chance of it surviving is very slim. So I said ok.

So with that being said I think its a $$$ game if a seller vendor or private can get away with it thats more money in there pocket. 8/10 people wont say no man dont give me your money lol. Thats ridiculous so its up to us to stop buying this stuff and if we recieve something that is significantly not as described stand up PM or call 1st if that dont work call them out. Being a sponsor on here is a privledge and if they're not pulling there weight give them the axe. Believe it or not this is a very busy site and they get alot of traffic of here so while its good for Rev its better for the vendors.
 

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