$600 Orange Envy move over there is a new polyp in town

[Enraged]

I can assure you his pics are dead on!
This is a ****** pick of his ultimate Armageddon that I took.

trust me i wish my photography skills could catch the true red in these like he has but it it dead on to the pick

 

[Enraged]

And i am sorry these $1000 pieces he is talking about is crazy how can you sleep at night.
for 1000 they better come with an escort!

 

[JGoslee]

I didnt say they are the same as armageddons but they are very similar.

 

[gooch]

Did you read a few posts back where the seller stated he will not take a penny for the sale of this coral. He doesn't expect the coral to sell. If someone wants to pay $1,000 for a polyp he will contact the store he got them from to get permission to sell it. Then send the money to the store that they came from. When the store in question releases them I guarantee you they will probably sell out in a day. And within a week people on e-bay or maybe even here will be offering frags to spread the wealth or recover some of the money they stuck into the cost of the coral. You bet your but it's gonna happen. And how much are these gonna sell for. A lot. And I bet a lot of people will profit from it. If not just from this post alone. Seven pages of ranting but if you knew you could get tenfold what you paid for the coral I bet a bunch of you would be the ones jumping on it. That's not bashing. Thats reality. If you want something to go away you just stop talking about it.

I wish I could tell you where they came from but I can not. They are not red like the armageddons. They are a real cool orange. Are they worth $1,000. Of course not. That being said if a buyer wants them it doesn't mean the buyer is stupid or the seller is greedy. Just means the buyer has a lot more money to spend on things. If someone offered a grand would you sell it for that? Or turn around and say no just give me $10 and we'll call it even. How many of you would really do that?

Every person here is entitled to his/her opinion. Whether right or wrong. No one has the right to get hostile or worked up over it.

However that being said. I have seen the $40 per polyp price mentioned a bunch of times in this post. So are you telling me with that, that $40 a polyp is a fair price to pay for them? That tells me that you the consumer is willing to pay $40 a polyp for them without question. Sounds like the vendor that will/may be releasing them will have a pretty good idea what to sell them for. Doesn't it. The market is already being created. After you get them will you come back here to tell everyone you got them? And how many frags will be made and sold in the first week. As a direct result of this post and other posts about this coral on other boards.

I am not trying to put anybody down here or encourage anybody here either. I remember myself getting caught up in the acan craze. I blew about two grand on a bunch of polyps that died in a couple of months. After that I set a price and I stick to it. If I can not get a frag for my price I don't get it. I use to sell Goochsters/Armor Of Gods(yes same polyp) in 25 polyp plus frags for $50. Now I see places selling them for $20 a polyp. People use to say I was gouging back then. Now people are happy to pay $20 a polyp for some corals. I probably have 5,000 polyps of the Goochsters/Armors. You know how much I sell them for? I don't. I will be taking some to a swap soon and selling them for $10-$20 a frag that will probably be the size of a small colony. Wholesalers are now selling corals by the polyp. It has gotten crazy. But as long as someone is willing to pay it it will not change.

Sorry for the rant. Please nobody take what I wrote the wrong way. I am not singling anyone out or bashing anyone. Sell your stuff for what you think is fair. It's OK to complain. It human nature. Just keep it civil.
Gooch

 

[Azurel]

Good points Gooch.....Thanks again for bringing up Civility.....That means keep it on topic and don't be bashing each other personally. All that does is bring in more hostility and anger......

 

[cardgenius]

I dont see what the big deal is, they look like armageddons with out the spots. Theyll probably fall off just like the ReefKindom Rainbows did.

Since theres nothing super spectacular about them, Im sure they put that price tag on them just too get people too talk and raise a fuss so when they sell them they can justify their $100/polyp or whatever price they put on them.

These guys are trying a little too hard to come up with something "cool" :laughing9:

 

[chads29]

Yes Gooch you have seen them in person and will be recieving a frag of it... This morph is by far less common than any PPE which is still selling for $40 a polyp and by far more colorful as I am sure Gooch can attest to. Is it worth $1000 a polyp of course not! The fact that it is in my tank and 3 friends tanks is the the best part of all because I can post it for a grand and not have to worry about sharing .

I guess you missed this... The fact that if you want them they are for sale you just have to pay for them! Have you read any of the posts made here?

 

[chads29]

again I give you the chance to be the first person on your block to have them, the only thing you have to do is come up with the $1000.

 

[jonbar1]

Is the $1000 for a polyp or a frag?

 

[Randy]

Is the $1000 for a polyp or a frag?

would it matter?

 

[sr71]

opps should have been pm

 

[Kigs!]

Jeremy, bro...
:horse:

j/k... hehe. that's for using that stupid emoticon on my old thread!

 

[chads29]

As of right now they have not been spread around the counrty which drives the value of these up much higher than the more common morphs. You may think that by starting a thread like this that you will get the price of the coral down yet the price stays the same... You are barking up the wrong tree man work on driving the prices of the more common morphs down because that is what makes this one so valueable. If you want to start a thread on zoanthid prices you are starting from the wrong side of the market because it is not the highest price coral the makes them valueable to people it is knowing the fact that they are getting something that is truely "rare" in this country that makes it worth a lot more than the more common "rare" morphs.

 

[jonbar1]

Now I feel like a zoa pimp!

Here's a polyp of Envy Orange next to a frag of KO's...now if I could just find an orange Rhizo for sale I'd be set!!

 

[chads29]

I have no intention of selling frags of them the true reasoning behind posting them for sale was simply to stand up for the online vendors who sell corals for what they feel is fair... Not what you feel is a fair price! In the next post I will post the conversation with CN that explains exactly how unprofessional he is being a business owner of this website and acting like a lfs putting down people who sell corals for premiums that are rare corals.

 

[chads29]

First off, I've never heard of KO's? The Eo's have been the topic of MANY discussions on many of forums. So it's not like I found some guy to pick on. Actually it was as spin off of a thread on RC. I'm banned from there so I started a discussion here.

Your assertions that we're losing sponsors isn't quite accurate either. We've actually taken on 3 more as the others gave up their spots. So really we've stayed about even. This is by design, and we've actually turned down quite a few sponsors as we don't feel comfortable having them here. As far as me feeling bad that Miguel sent out that newsletter, heck no. I even thanked him, it sent a lot of traffic here to people that might otherwords may have never seen the site. There is not such thing as "bad press".

Also I think you should go back and re-read that thread. I was the one defending people being able to charge whatever they want. Although i don't condone $600/polyps as 90% of people don't, I actually think over all this kind of stuff is helping the hobby by turning up the compitition and nicer corals are coming in as the result.

Furthermore I never said anything bad about Juan Carlos, just that I think people shouldn't use that as the example when it comes to designer zoas/palys because $600/polyps are not the norm. And they aren't.

Juan Carlos is more than welcome to sign up here, I think that would be great. But I'm certainly not going to go and invite every person that gets mentioned in every thread here.

Anyway, thank you for your concerns and comments. If you have any other comments I would suggest you just post them in the thread as I don't really have anything else to add, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Have a good one.




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Originally Posted by chads29

Just to make you happy when I get around to it I will put the KO's on frags.org for $1000 a polyp.

I have nothing against discussions but did you invite him to come and defend himself against any comments made towards him? Does he say anything bad about your website? I see you losing a lot of sponsors and would have to only guess it would be because of these "discussions" about prices of corals and names being brought up of the online vendors who are trying to make a living off selling corals. The place running the business has the right to charge what they feel a person will pay wether that be $1 or $1000. With out sales they don't buy groceries or buy more corals, if they lower the prices they may not be able to pay the electric bill. I don't feel it is right to have conversations about companies with out them being directly involved...

You too have been on that end of it with an email sent out by one of your ex-sponsors and I bet you didn't feel good about that email. That is probably how the online vendors feel when you have threads discussing the pricing of the corals they are selling.

Chad

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Originally Posted by coralnutz

Your entitled to your opinion... But that $600 EO has been the example for insanely priced paly's. I wasn't the first to bring it up and surely won't be the last. Sure he can charge what he wants? I don't recall saying that he couldn't?

It's a discussion forum and that's what we do here. And when he's got a public website and puts it out there for the world to see it's fair game to talk about.

If you know of a higher priced zoa/paly, by all means, let me know and I'll use them as the example next time.

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Originally Posted by chads29

Hi,

I just wanted to say that in the thread about zoanthid pricing bringing up JC's price on the Envy Orange Paly's was very unprofessional. I see many zoanthid morphs that are by far more spread around that are still getting premium prices with out you calling out everyone selling those corals for that price.

Seeing as how that morph is so uncommon he has every right to charge what he wants for it with out having to be put down for what he is asking for it. No one is making anyone pay that price but if you want that morph you will obviously pay for it.

Thanks,
Chad

 

[chads29]

The best part about this thread... I didn't have to start it you all ready did it for me . haha You all say you love this website yet you do everything in your powers to lowball the online vendors who support this site...

 

[chadfarmer]

i was going to say nothing but i have to

who cares you are trying to sell a polyp for 1000.00

this thread is a joke anyways

 

[surfn]

take it easy fellas.......you can choose to participate in a civil manner, or just take the high road and walk away.

...and next time i hear anyone take a shot at CZ's site/owners/mods/vendors/sponsors or members, i'm shutting the thread down and putting some people in time out.

 

[Randy]

Well now we are getting somewhere. When I first looked at the $1000 frag I waited for the typo to change when it did not I was wondering what is up with this. I don’t know chads29 and knew in the back of my mind that he knows that it is not worth that much. I figured if I posted it the truth would come out.

As for pricing zoas it is your choice of how much you want to put on them but I also think there should be a stopping point. have a hard time charging $50 per polyp even if the site next door is selling the same zoa at that price. One thing most don’t see is for every cool high end zoa we get there are 50 ugly brown ones that you can’t give away that comes in. We get the leftovers here out of state and every once in a while a good colony comes in. It is hard to keep going some weeks when bills come in and all you have to offer to sale is something you would not put in your own tank. Back to my point. Charging a little extra for the good helps split that cost of all the bad.

It is and always will be that a forum like this sets the price. I don’t think that is going to change no mater how many $1000 frags you post. I see your point and am glad you brought it up.