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What up.

I’m working on a 75g display build for a new tank and it seems like time to start a build thread. The basic plan:

Various water rectangles:
75g Marineland display from petsmart
Eshoppes r-100 sump my roommates had for years
A custom frag tank ~8g

Standard Equipment:
Jebao MDP-2500 return
Got an old reefbreeders 48” 240w LED light (circa 2017?), a number of LEDs are burnt out, the housing is rough, and the controller frankly sucks. Like 3 channels and only on/off time controls. So we’re replacing all the LEDs, matching spectrums to an Orphek Icon (but as an experiment of AliExpress LEDs vs the real deal, I think it will be worse but really wonder how much worse). Should be ~306w max although we will probably never go that high. Controller will be arduino based, kind of, but more on that later…
Bubble magus (I think 70?) that my roommate also had lying around
Probably a viperspectra in the sump that will be dual use for night fuge/frag tank. Anyone know if there’s any probably with having corals in frag tank lighting inverted from display? I feel like it will be better for stability but who knows…
Reefpi that will primarily just be data logging, although it will have some control. The plan is to use arduinos to mimic PID breakouts over I2C, so that if the reefpi is unavailable for some reason the devices it normally controls will still go.
Dual icecap 4k gyres on opposite ends of tank

Equipment in the works:
Trying to build an auto dosing system with a completely different design than normal dosers to automate moonshiners. Again, more on that later… we’ll see. Regardless the plan for this tank is moonshiners. I’ve had a 40g setup for a year now and it’s going good as far as coral, but I’m curious to see the difference in doing water parameter with really high accuracy.
Ideally a frozen auto feeder. Have a design complete, waiting parts.

Stocking Plan:
Fish:
Purple tilefish. I absolutely love these fish, ideally a pair as (apparently) they do better as a group.
One spot foxface. Again, I just love these fish. I know it’s a risk will LPS/Zoas, which I’ll have to watch out for but if I have the space I really want to try one. They’re just so striking and interesting creatures.
Pair clowns
Melanarus wrasse
Flasher wrasse
Ideally a few bengai cardinals, but this depends on how the rest of the fish get along. 7 relatively active/not small fish in a 75g sounds like enough, so I think that might be it.

Coral: Mixed reef ideally - these are just the ones I know I want, but tbh if moonshiners goes well it’ll probably just sort of be whatever catches my eye. Also the frag tank I expect will be changing conditions as I switch type of coral to grow out, so no real plan there as I like the idea of just having a small sandbox area for growing different coral.
SPS:
Birds nest
Cyphastrea
Acto of some kind - flow and tank permitting
Tabling montipora

LPS:
Euphylia - all, big fan, combo of foxface makes me nervous though 😬
Favia
Plates

Softies:
Zoa garden somewhere
Palys
Toadstool mushroom

Ok now we got the basics of tank plans, here the build write up of the current standing.
To start, I got a weird hookup off Craigslist for a 10-12yr old system for free, lights, filtration, everything. It was a bit of work to get it but we have it now.
Only pic I have from breakdown (at the end, I was foolish):
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Got the tank, filtration, lighting, wave makers, all the rock and everything back to my house. Rocks in question after being cleaned with sprayed saltwater and put in a bucket of fresh mixed saltwater:
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That water looks bad because I initially didn’t have enough water flow and had a nasty anaerobic bacteria grow over a few days. Got the water flow up, and setup a HOB protein skimmer and the water is perfectly clear now.

Then, designed the basic system I have in mind to get a visual for the options. Options for drain was single or overflow box. Originally the frag was going to be coming off the drain, but we changed out minds for a reason I forget… so now it’s off the return. Spent all that time on design, and now the designs changed lol. Still a fun exercise.
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I don’t trust the tank after over a decade of use, so I took it apart to replace all the old silicone. First time trying this, and we ended up chipping the glass a bit, so we figured it’s probably best to just buy a new one. $150 for a marine land 75g at petsmart. Next was stand build. Went with the basic rocketengineer stand, with a few 2x4s in the lower frame to brace the bottom floor for sump/frag tank weight.
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Next was time to drill the new tank to attempt to setup basic plumbing (single drain) and see if we could get it to an acceptable volume for my living room. This was sooo stressful, but thankfully we had lots of glass from the old tank we took apart to practice on. After about 2 tries, I felt good and we went for it. It came out pretty well I think.
Practice:
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Tank with hole:
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Then we setup the single drain for some garage science to see if we could get it quiet:
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The single drain pipe is just way too much water noise IMO. Crazy enough, my roommates were like this seems fine put it in the living room, but I know it’d be killing me after 2 months of eating dinner next to a trickling water fall noise all the time, so no go.

On to the next DIY maneuver… over flow box. I got acrylic cut from the local plastic shop. Spent $120 on the acrylic I had them cut for the frag tank, annnnddddd $12 for the acrylic for the overflow box because they had pieces in the scrap bin. All the acrylic is 3/8” cast acrylic. Probably overkill for everything, but I don’t know what I’m doing and the frag tank cracking or leaking makes me terrified, and the overflow piece we’re in the scrap bin so whatever, might as well be beefy. Price difference on cut vs scrap was crazy. The problem was now I needed to figure out how to cut it. I have access to a decent chop saw, with a 80t blade, so figured I’d try it on a scrap piece and it actually went quite well.
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Got all the overflow pieces cut. Internal dimensions ended up at 4” x 8” x 8”
Got it bonded last night. First time working with acrylic so one of the joints I don’t like much, but I don’t think it’ll leak, and overall I’m pretty satisfied.
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Now we’re waiting for bulkheads to be delivered, then we’ll get the actual plumbing done… then maybe the tank will get setup in its actual spot, who knows…


So anyone who sees this, please share inspiration for how to make the stand look nice! I’ve been having decisions paralysis on how to skin it to look nice. I was thinking a sheet of decent plywood stained and finished, and then held on with some rare earth magnets so you could just remove the whole front anytime sump/frag shenanigans happen, but then I worry it’ll just look like… well… a straight sheet of stained plywood. Idk maybe two doors on liftoff hinges, but making nice looking doors sounds hard, although I do have access to a nice wood shop so not impossible but it’s just a ton of work. Really want inspiration here! Please share what yall got!


Anyways, thank for checking it out! More coming soon.
 

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First time trying this, and we ended up chipping the glass a bit, so we figured it’s probably best to just buy a new one. $
Better idea if you have never resealed a tank 👍
 

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Looking forward to watching this build. Do you have a plan incase the weirs get clogged or something plugs up the overflow drain so that returns don't continue to pump water into the tanks and overflow out of the tank? I see you have a backup in the "overflow box" on the back but what if it can't get there.... Just something to consider
 
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Yeah that’s the conclusion we came to too. Figured there’s a first time for everything tho so we gave it a shot anyways. Went as expected lol
 

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Yeah that’s the conclusion we came to too. Figured there’s a first time for everything tho so we gave it a shot anyways. Went as expected lol
OH NO! Hopefully in the garage or somewhere where no damage was done
 

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Purple tilefish. I absolutely love these fish, ideally a pair as (apparently) they do better as a group.
Very cool! Big fan of tilefish myself. I'd probably add them as one of the first fish to your tank, as they can be a bit nervous and easily intimidated. And jumpy!

Definitely make sure there's not a single gap anywhere in the lid, or any tight spaces they could potentially jump onto and get stuck out of the water under the lid. My doofus got wedged between the back wall of the tank and the light mount bracket during one of his freakouts. I was lucky enough to hear it and free him in time.
 
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Very cool! Big fan of tilefish myself. I'd probably add them as one of the first fish to your tank, as they can be a bit nervous and easily intimidated. And jumpy!

Definitely make sure there's not a single gap anywhere in the lid, or any tight spaces they could potentially jump onto and get stuck out of the water under the lid. My doofus got wedged between the back wall of the tank and the light mount bracket during one of his freakouts. I was lucky enough to hear it and free him in time.
Yeah so I think they’re gonna be literally my first two. I used corrugated polycarbonate and foam on the edges for the lid of my last tank so it’s basically sealed. Will be doing that again so it’ll definitely be sealed. Glad to hear doing them first is the right call because I’m so excited to get them! Do you have a pair or just one? Any experience with 1 vs 2 because the idea that 2 is really “best” seems questionable…
 

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Very cool! Big fan of tilefish myself. I'd probably add them as one of the first fish to your tank, as they can be a bit nervous and easily intimidated. And jumpy!

Definitely make sure there's not a single gap anywhere in the lid, or any tight spaces they could potentially jump onto and get stuck out of the water under the lid. My doofus got wedged between the back wall of the tank and the light mount bracket during one of his freakouts. I was lucky enough to hear it and free him in time.
Yeah so I think they’re gonna be literally my first two. I used corrugated polycarbonate and foam on the edges for the lid of my last tank so it’s basically sealed. Will be doing that again so it’ll definitely be sealed. Glad to hear doing them first is the right call because I’m so excited to get them! Do you have a pair or just one? Any experience with 1 vs 2 because the idea that 2 is really “best” seems questionable…
Sounds like a plan! I only have a single skunk now, but I've been actually looking for another one for the past two months. I might be grabbing a blue jaw soon, so I'll let you know how it goes. I plan to rearrange my rockwork a bit before introduction too.

I honestly regret not getting two right away. From what I know, they form long lasting monogamous pairs in the wild and share a burrow. So mimicking the behavior, especially if you get them at the same time, imo should work and help them feel more at ease.
 
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Looking forward to watching this build. Do you have a plan incase the weirs get clogged or something plugs up the overflow drain so that returns don't continue to pump water into the tanks and overflow out of the tank? I see you have a backup in the "overflow box" on the back but what if it can't get there.... Just something to consider
Yes so no mechanical backup for display tank to box drain, which does worry me. The plan is to have an optical water sensor just below the overflow level of the display that is setup to kill the return and send us an email/text with a lot of these 🚨🚨🚨

The closest to a "mechanical backup" for in tank drain is just the design of the h2overflow drain, the top panel being open with weirs too is a crazy ammount of surface area, and the water level would only reach there if the sides all were clogged which I think is unlikely but you never know.
Personally, i feel like the open top rectangle design on this part is less likely to clog than a traditional weir, but I wont know until we fully test it. I also am not really sure of any alternatives besides a traditional weir. Open to suggestions though!

The other comment was in response to Lapins talking about resealing the tank, I think we just posted at like the same time lol.
 
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Update time: Light Edition

Today we got all the LEDs replaced on our light, and did a basic test of the boards. The basics are it’s now a 5 channel, 102 3w LED, diy arduino (soon to be reefpi probably) light. Behold lots of photos:
Channels mapped, traces cut and wire added to turn a 3 channel light into a 5 channel light
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Desoldered 102 LEDs, very time consuming:
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Skipped some steps here, but it’s assembled and on now. Need to finish some stuff for the power supply for the 5th channel (tiny 12v 6 led reds circuit)
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This is a behind the light 4-5ft away. Insane how much light is reflected, and how much it will fluoresce just being reflected off the unfinished drywall of my garage.
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The fluorescence on high power on it is absurd, it’s VERY bright on high and I doubt we’ll need it high. Once we have it setup on the tank we’ll do PAR mapping to see if this thing like actually works, but so far so good.

I have a lot more data for this if anyone is interested I’d be happy to share, these are just the photos on my phone.

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Update time: Light Edition

Today we got all the LEDs replaced on our light, and did a basic test of the boards. The basics are it’s now a 5 channel, 102 3w LED, diy arduino (soon to be reefpi probably) light. Behold lots of photos:
Channels mapped, traces cut and wire added to turn a 3 channel light into a 5 channel light
551780558195647252.jpeg
5041942946543887384.jpeg
6500833102678941552.jpeg

Desoldered 102 LEDs, very time consuming:
5317616946676399435.jpeg

Skipped some steps here, but it’s assembled and on now. Need to finish some stuff for the power supply for the 5th channel (tiny 12v 6 led reds circuit)
1265813720455644200.jpeg
7219553072651790683.jpeg
724412148339164328.jpeg
5865661115402586038.jpeg
8346507083902286039.jpeg
5825480816962930494.jpeg


The fluorescence on high power on it is absurd, it’s VERY bright on high and I doubt we’ll need it high. Once we have it setup on the tank we’ll do PAR mapping to see if this thing like actually works, but so far so good.

I have a lot more data for this if anyone is interested I’d be happy to share, these are just the photos on my phone.

Nothing beats a DIY job! I love everything about this and it's more fun to follow along then a $50,000 high end build.

What are your plans for lenses and are you going to make some shells for the lights?
 
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Nothing beats a DIY job! I love everything about this and it's more fun to follow along then a $50,000 high end build.

What are your plans for lenses and are you going to make some shells for the lights?
Thanks! Been super fun so far. So the light is originally a reefbreeder 48” so we’ll re-use that housing even though it’s a bit rough. Making a housing from scratch just sounds like a bit of a pain, lol.
The lens’ are some cheap 120degree lenses that go on each LED individually. When it’s complete it basically comes out to look like a viparspectra, or any other Amazon brand 120w led light, except it’s 4’ lol. I have sneaking suspicion that the reefbreeders light is what all those Chinese lights are cloning… and me lol.
 
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Nothing beats a DIY job! I love everything about this and it's more fun to follow along then a $50,000 high end build.

What are your plans for lenses and are you going to make some shells for the lights?
Thanks! Been super fun so far. So the light is originally a reefbreeder 48” so we’ll re-use that housing even though it’s a bit rough. Making a housing from scratch just sounds like a bit of a pain, lol.
The lens’ are some cheap 120degree lenses that go on each LED individually. When it’s complete it basically comes out to look like a viparspectra, or any other Amazon brand 120w led light, except it’s 4’ lol. I have sneaking suspicion that the reefbreeders light is what all those Chinese lights are cloning… and me lol.
It was(is?) one of these:
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Thanks! Been super fun so far. So the light is originally a reefbreeder 48” so we’ll re-use that housing even though it’s a bit rough. Making a housing from scratch just sounds like a bit of a pain, lol.
The lens’ are some cheap 120degree lenses that go on each LED individually. When it’s complete it basically comes out to look like a viparspectra, or any other Amazon brand 120w led light, except it’s 4’ lol. I have sneaking suspicion that the reefbreeders light is what all those Chinese lights are cloning… and me lol.

Ah I missed that, makes sense... ya I believe their first generation of lights were just rebranded Chinese black boxes and the biggest downfall to those style lights IMO was the very narrow lenses they used. It was a light beam of par that shot straight down with 0 spread. Looks like if you'll be using the 120 degree lenses that shouldn't be an issue. 👍
 
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Ah I missed that, makes sense... ya I believe their first generation of lights were just rebranded Chinese black boxes and the biggest downfall to those style lights IMO was the very narrow lenses they used. It was a light beam of par that shot straight down with 0 spread. Looks like if you'll be using the 120 degree lenses that shouldn't be an issue. 👍
Oh interesting, good to know. I’ve only been in the hobby for like 1.5yrs so all that stuff is before my time. We’ll see though, I expect I can test if we have hotspots with a par meter and just running one channel at a time. The other option I’ve been considering is if the lenses don’t spread the light enough, I could try some frosted glass over the lenses to fully diffuse the light and run the power a bit higher. I don’t think this will have any shortage power, diffusion is what I’m concerned with.
 

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Oh interesting, good to know. I’ve only been in the hobby for like 1.5yrs so all that stuff is before my time. We’ll see though, I expect I can test if we have hotspots with a par meter and just running one channel at a time. The other option I’ve been considering is if the lenses don’t spread the light enough, I could try some frosted glass over the lenses to fully diffuse the light and run the power a bit higher. I don’t think this will have any shortage power, diffusion is what I’m concerned with.

Oh you definitely will have enough power to melt corals, the frosted glass or even some of the glass they have designed for light diffusing would work great.
 
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Hey everyone! I’ll have a detailed update soon, made some great progress but had a question if anyone could chime in. I’m trying to fill the tank in its actual place ideally in the next 2 weeks, so I’m trying to plan the sand bed. Considering I want tile fish, research says it needs to be 3-4” deep with crushed coral? Is that correct?

Second thing, and I guess this is something only I can answer, but it does seem a bit crazy to be spending ~$150 for sand specifically to make a habitat for a fish I really like that’s another $300-400 and apparently those fish seem to have rep for being happy and then suddenly dieing… I don’t really do well with pets and fish dieing, it always just wrecks me, and plus the cost of these and specialized habitat is just 🥴
Idk, I can’t help but feel that with this specific creature I’m setting myself up for some really hard times. I could use some anecdotes or advice from others who are/have been in this position.

Thanks everyone, and more actual info coming soon!
 

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Hey everyone! I’ll have a detailed update soon, made some great progress but had a question if anyone could chime in. I’m trying to fill the tank in its actual place ideally in the next 2 weeks, so I’m trying to plan the sand bed. Considering I want tile fish, research says it needs to be 3-4” deep with crushed coral? Is that correct?

Second thing, and I guess this is something only I can answer, but it does seem a bit crazy to be spending ~$150 for sand specifically to make a habitat for a fish I really like that’s another $300-400 and apparently those fish seem to have rep for being happy and then suddenly dieing… I don’t really do well with pets and fish dieing, it always just wrecks me, and plus the cost of these and specialized habitat is just 🥴
Idk, I can’t help but feel that with this specific creature I’m setting myself up for some really hard times. I could use some anecdotes or advice from others who are/have been in this position.

Thanks everyone, and more actual info coming soon!
Hm, it's hard to say. Tilefish are somewhat delicate and they don't just need a deep sand bed, but also plenty of rockwork to build burrows, and overhangs. Mine has an entire underground system beneath the rockwork. I actually reworked the scape recently just to give him even more negative space.. he loves it 😅

I'll be honest here - I went through some pretty tough times with Sushi at the beginning. He came in sick with flukes/ich, was obsessed with jumping out and would freak out at night for weeks, so I was constantly waking up stressed wondering if he'd still be in the tank by morning. He's very sensitive and easy to bully. Even my starry blenny (since rehomed) managed to leave a nice little kiss on him. I also had to rehome my anthias because he stressed him out a lot too:



Feeding can also be a bit tricky. Mine is super active, so I feed 4-5 times a day. He'll only eat frozen foods and ignores any pellets. I've been slowly transitioning him to freeze dried with Plank, but it's a slow process. That said, YMMV.

BUT, they're incredible fish and IMO totally worth it. Mine lets me pet him, is insanely curious about anything I do in the tank, and even plays at the surface blowing bubbles around. He's been 100% reef safe so far, and has never bothered any inverts or corals. I honestly think of him as a reef safe puffer alternative because of his personality.



Also, I think @i cant think will probably have more good insight to add too!
 
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Hm, it's hard to say. Tilefish are somewhat delicate and they don't just need a deep sand bed, but also plenty of rockwork to build burrows, and overhangs. Mine has an entire underground system beneath the rockwork. I actually reworked the scape recently just to give him even more negative space.. he loves it 😅

I'll be honest here - I went through some pretty tough times with Sushi at the beginning. He came in sick with flukes/ich, was obsessed with jumping out and would freak out at night for weeks, so I was constantly waking up stressed wondering if he'd still be in the tank by morning. He's very sensitive and easy to bully. Even my starry blenny (since rehomed) managed to leave a nice little kiss on him. I also had to rehome my anthias because he stressed him out a lot too:



Feeding can also be a bit tricky. Mine is super active, so I feed 4-5 times a day. He'll only eat frozen foods and ignores any pellets. I've been slowly transitioning him to freeze dried with Plank, but it's a slow process. That said, YMMV.

BUT, they're incredible fish and IMO totally worth it. Mine lets me pet him, is insanely curious about anything I do in the tank, and even plays at the surface blowing bubbles around. He's been 100% reef safe so far, and has never bothered any inverts or corals. I honestly think of him as a reef safe puffer alternative because of his personality.



Also, I think @i cant think will probably have more good insight to add too!

That’s good feedback. I’ll just keep mulling it over as I get closer. Not in a crazy rush, the only thing I need to decide soon for it is the sandbed…

How much does their burrowing habits disturb the sand bed as it relates to coral? It looks like from your tank thread you’ve still got some sand bed corals, no real issue from the tile or the new links goby so far?
 

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