because old ladies spilling hot Mickey D's coffee on themselves is an everyday occurrence.Because it’s an absolute miniscule amount of cases, not worth anyone’s time and squarely the fault of the person.
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because old ladies spilling hot Mickey D's coffee on themselves is an everyday occurrence.Because it’s an absolute miniscule amount of cases, not worth anyone’s time and squarely the fault of the person.
That's kind of why I was asking about it. I had never even really heard about it until then, partly because I haven't kept palys/Zoas before, and wanted to know more about the subject. Evidently it's one of those subjects that can get folks of differing opinions all fired up.
Yes of course. I get that, but now there is a hyper focus on it. The discussion is not healthy it is centered around fear and it has long ago jumped the shark. (sic)Those posts have certainly been popular here recently (no doubt it's being overhyped), but I've seen it being discussed for 15+ years now. It's not a new concern.
Yes of course. I get that, but now there is a hyper focus on it. The discussion is not healthy it is centered around fear and it has long ago jumped the shark. (sic)
I agreeDon’t stab them with forks near your face and you will be fine. I swear if I see one more palytoxin thread I am eating my Zoa garden rocks and all
Its a very real concern, but super rare. Only certain palys/zoas have substantial amounts and they have to be really iritated to release it. It's not something to get worked up over in my opinion.
Shark attack is a conundrum.A while back there was a series of unfortunate events. There was Shark Week and the news for whatever reason picked it up and the next thing you know it is a full on panic. Everyone was panicking over shark attacks the news breathlessly reported EVERY SINGLE one. People were talking about it in passing. There were segments on how to not get eaten and proper swimming etiquette.
Shark attacks that year were the lowest in a decade plus.
grandiesThat is good to know. Any particular varieties come to mind that have substantial amounts?
While I am sure it's easy enough to avoid irritating them myself, what about other livestock? By which I mean, would say, a niger trigger moving an improperly secured frag, or a moray swimming through a colony be enough to set them off, or are we talking like physically damaging them level of irritation?
And one of the best books ever written IMO, covers it (tetrodotoxin) nicely....There's a lot of good information in the other threads. I've attached a nice case report highlighting a typical incident. Palytoxin is a beautiful molecule and very toxic with lethal doses of around 10 microgram (0.01 mg = 0.00001 g). The concentration in the very few Palys/zoas actually containing the toxin can be pretty high relative to the estimated lethal dose (2-4 mg palytoxin/g tissue). It's rare but increasingly better documented as more hobbyist become aware. As long as people wear gloves, don't eat their zoas and exercise caution, I think it's a low risk. By contrast, tetrodotoxin found in pufferfish (fugu) kills a few hundred people a year on average ;Dead.
That is good to know. Any particular varieties come to mind that have substantial amounts?
While I am sure it's easy enough to avoid irritating them myself, what about other livestock? By which I mean, would say, a niger trigger moving an improperly secured frag, or a moray swimming through a colony be enough to set them off, or are we talking like physically damaging them level of irritation?
OMG this movie was SOOOOOO good!And one of the best books ever written IMO, covers it (tetrodotoxin) nicely....
And we don't think twice about lionfish or stonefish. ::sigh::The funny thing is, I have a puffer that could probably kill me in the right circumstances but I refuse to put zoas or palys in my tank.
The book was even better....so in depth. True factual evidence. Creepy lol....OMG this movie was SOOOOOO good!
I know the green palys do, mean greens/ green implosion, Venus flytrap, and of course Captain Jerks-. CJ slimed as I was removing them and I got minorly poisoned 2 months ago. My lfs owner is a marine biologist and knows which have the toxin or not, he said if they slime- they have the toxin.That is good to know. Any particular varieties come to mind that have substantial amounts?
While I am sure it's easy enough to avoid irritating them myself, what about other livestock? By which I mean, would say, a niger trigger moving an improperly secured frag, or a moray swimming through a colony be enough to set them off, or are we talking like physically damaging them level of irritation?
Funny seeing as all corals slime when mad, and they don't all have palytoxin. But according to your "marine biologist" LFS they all do?I know the green palys do, mean greens/ green implosion, Venus flytrap, and of course Captain Jerks-. CJ slimed as I was removing them and I got minorly poisoned 2 months ago. My lfs owner is a marine biologist and knows which have the toxin or not, he said if they slime- they have the toxin.