Acro necrosis, no algae and dino

[m0jjen]

Hey!

So far the past 3-4 weeks i've had both cyano and dino. I've increased my feeding since both my no3 and po4 were pretty much zero. According to my triton test my po4 was 0.007 and my no3 messured at 0.

I've increased my feeding from 1 cube rinsed frozen + some mass stick to a more scheduled 1 cube unrinsed in the morning and evening along with formula one/two small pellets from a feeder. This has bumped up my no3 and po4 to a stable 2.5 ppm no3 and 0.018 po4 messured with salifert and hanna ULR.

The affected corals are bleaching and turning white then its starts having some tissue necrosis so something is stressing the corals.

Messurements taken this morning:

Salinity: 1.025
Ca: 390
Mg: 1320
KH: 7.3
No3: 2.5
Po4: 0.018

Apart from no algae what so ever and some dino (which is starting to die off from the increased feeding) i dont have any algae what so ever. Glas has been clean for 2-3 weeks now without any scraping.

There arent any calcification going on either. my KH is consumed at about 0.3 KH / 24 hours with 25 differencet SPS corals and some LPS. i had to turn of my calcium reactor to lower my KH (no spike took place, the KH went from 7.7 to 8.3 thats about it)

Fishlist:

Paracanthurus hepatus
Zebrasoma flavescens
Pseudocheilinus hexataenia
Amphiprion percula x2
Salarias fasciatus
Oxycirrhites typus
Chelmon rostratus
Synchiropus splendidus

The tank volum is 425 litres (a reefer 425 xl). Im not using any filtration media except for siporax, no gac nor gfo.

The only export im using atm is my deltec sc1456 which is skimming nicely.

Light and flow:

2x Radion xr30w Pro running at 53% of total capacity and the SPS AB+ program at 85% (kinda high but par is between 200-800 from bottom to top).

2x MP40QD running around 35-45% depending on program and time of day. Return spitting out 5000LHP (jebao DCT-6000) and 1x Tunze 6045 running about 2/3 giving ~3000LPH.

My latest tritontest that came in 23 of february:

Saltbrand is aquaforest and their reefsalt. Im running a calcium reactor with ARM corse media and supplimenting trace elements by dosing component A B C from aquaforest.

Any suggestions? I dont feel like feeding more is a viable option since i have both po4 and no3. Traceelements in my first triton was low but they are getting supplimented, perhaps they need to be adjusted and dosed more to keep up?

I have no idea why I dont have algae with these nutrients. Something is stopping the algae, and probably inhibits zooxanthellae aswell, bleaching and killing the corals.

Any ideas are much appreciated

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

It could be the yuck from the dinos, but...
How much light do you have in the tank?
How stable is your PH?

 

[m0jjen]

Was thinking about the dino dying off aswell. The light consists of two radion xr30w pro runing at 53% of its total capacity giving a par range from 200ish at the sand to 800ish at 1 inch below the surface.

PH is semi stable at 7.8-8.0x through the day

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Was thinking about the dino dying off aswell. The light consists of two radion xr30w pro runing at 53% of its total capacity giving a par range from 200ish at the sand to 800ish at 1 inch below the surface.

PH is semi stable at 7.8-8.0x through the day

Yea you could be bleaching due to the low nutrints Id say. I had necrosis events with Acros while fighting the bryopsis. I would guess lowering to 100 or so on the sand will help while you clear up the other issues.

 

[m0jjen]

Yea you could be bleaching due to the low nutrints Id say. I had necrosis events with Acros while fighting the bryopsis. I would guess lowering to 100 or so on the sand will help while you clear up the other issues.

Yeah, working on increasing them atm :)

 

[2una]

in case you overlooked it - the Comp A is Strontium & Barium(Ba) - might not be helping that Ba level

 

[m0jjen]

in case you overlooked it - the Comp A is Strontium & Barium(Ba) - might not be helping that Ba level

I've totally missed that. Thanks!

 

[m0jjen]

So the latest triton is in:

First test was done 2017-02-23 Test 2 2017-03-29

Al - 11 µg/l - 29 µg/l (+18 µg/l, used 100 ml of triton al99 so thats why)
Cu - 0 µg/l - 4.45 µg/l (+ 4.45 µg/l)
Na - 10255 mg/l - 10318 mg/l (+63 mg/l)
Ca - 436 mg/l - 410 mg/l (-26 mg/l)
Mg - 1398 mg/l - 1445 mg/l (+47 mg/l)
K - 381 mg/l - 382 mg/l (+1 mg/l)
Br - 53 mg/l - 67 mg/l (+14 mg/l)
B - 4.158 mg/l - 4.234 mg/l (+0.076 mg/l)
Sr - 6.299 mg/l - 6.904 mg/l (+ 0.605 mg/l)
S - 842 mg/l - 791 mg/l (-51 mg/l)

Li - 123 µg/l - 97 µg/l (- 26 µg/l)
Mo - 2.33 µg/l - 4.95 (+2.62 µg/l)

I - 18 µg/l - 33 µg/l (+15 µg/l)
Ba - 237 µg/l - 162 µg/l (-75 µg/l)
Si - 134 µg/l - 0 µg/l (-134 µg/l)

P - 2.218 µg/l - 1.099 µg/l (-1.119 µg/l)
Po4 - 0.007 mg/l - 0.003 mg/l (-0.004 mg/l)

The major issue here id say is the LOW phosphate. Its kinda odd in my eyes since i feed my fish:

Paracanthurus hepatus
Zebrasoma flavescens
Pseudocheilinus hexataenia
Amphiprion percula x2
Salarias fasciatus
Oxycirrhites typus
Chelmon rostratus
Synchiropus splendidus

3 times aday. frozen twice and pellets by feeder.

Sand has been removed but the dino presists and cover my SPS instead.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

So the latest triton is in:

First test was done 2017-02-23 Test 2 2017-03-29

Al - 11 µg/l - 29 µg/l (+18 µg/l, used 100 ml of triton al99 so thats why)
Cu - 0 µg/l - 4.45 µg/l (+ 4.45 µg/l)
Na - 10255 mg/l - 10318 mg/l (+63 mg/l)
Ca - 436 mg/l - 410 mg/l (-26 mg/l)
Mg - 1398 mg/l - 1445 mg/l (+47 mg/l)
K - 381 mg/l - 382 mg/l (+1 mg/l)
Br - 53 mg/l - 67 mg/l (+14 mg/l)
B - 4.158 mg/l - 4.234 mg/l (+0.076 mg/l)
Sr - 6.299 mg/l - 6.904 mg/l (+ 0.605 mg/l)
S - 842 mg/l - 791 mg/l (-51 mg/l)

Li - 123 µg/l - 97 µg/l (- 26 µg/l)
Mo - 2.33 µg/l - 4.95 (+2.62 µg/l)

I - 18 µg/l - 33 µg/l (+15 µg/l)
Ba - 237 µg/l - 162 µg/l (-75 µg/l)
Si - 134 µg/l - 0 µg/l (-134 µg/l)

P - 2.218 µg/l - 1.099 µg/l (-1.119 µg/l)
Po4 - 0.007 mg/l - 0.003 mg/l (-0.004 mg/l)

The major issue here id say is the LOW phosphate. Its kinda odd in my eyes since i feed my fish:

Paracanthurus hepatus
Zebrasoma flavescens
Pseudocheilinus hexataenia
Amphiprion percula x2
Salarias fasciatus
Oxycirrhites typus
Chelmon rostratus
Synchiropus splendidus

3 times aday. frozen twice and pellets by feeder.

Sand has been removed but the dino presists and cover my SPS instead.

May we see a picture?

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Some possible treatment options besides ph treatments outlined in R Pharley articles.

https://www.algaebarn.com/using-live-microalgae-to-control-nuisance-dinoflagellates/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dinoflagellates-dinos-a-possible-cure-follow-along-and-see.253917/

https://o-r-c-a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21735

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/fauna-marin-ultra-algea-x.html

 

[m0jjen]

Some possible treatment options besides ph treatments outlined in R Pharley articles.

https://www.algaebarn.com/using-live-microalgae-to-control-nuisance-dinoflagellates/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dinoflagellates-dinos-a-possible-cure-follow-along-and-see.253917/

https://o-r-c-a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21735

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/fauna-marin-ultra-algea-x.html

Skimmed most of the dino threads on here. Gonna go ahead and read up on the others you suggested! :) Already tried dinoxal, it works and kills the dino for sure. Atleast in my test vessle. But in the tank it does little to nothing :/

Ill provide pics when the fog clears. Went and bought Aquaforest Life source and tried it. H2O2 does little to nothing when i tested in a container :(

 

[m0jjen]

Pictures:

Some coral are fully alive and well, some starting to die off. I clean the SPS with a turkey baster daily, its back on them rather quick.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Skimmed most of the dino threads on here. Gonna go ahead and read up on the others you suggested! :) Already tried dinoxal, it works and kills the dino for sure. Atleast in my test vessle. But in the tank it does little to nothing :/

Ill provide pics when the fog clears. Went and bought Aquaforest Life source and tried it. H2O2 does little to nothing when i tested in a container :(

Did you use a strong enough dose of dinoxol.
I'm searching for the Dino X experience thread that was posted recently. Very positive results.

There is something feeding that. I have rarely seen anything that bad. Are you feeding or dosing something ? Amino photo VIbrant etc.

My self I would have bought a uv and and reactors or canisters.
It a standard but normal Dino prob. The recurrence is troubling though.


@brandon429
#reefsquad.

 

[m0jjen]

Did you use a strong enough dose of dinoxol.
I'm searching for the Dino X experience thread that was posted recently. Very positive results.

There is something feeding that. I have rarely seen anything that bad. Are you feeding or dosing something ? Amino photo VIbrant etc.

My self I would have bought a uv and and reactors or canisters.
It a standard but normal Dino prob. The recurrence is troubling though.


@brandon429
#reefsquad.

No aminos or such. Frozen food. Pelletd and some coralfood since my corals bleach then start to lose tissue. I have 3 (living) acros thats litterly white with 3 feeding aday and the fishlist above. I also add AF coral powder food every other day in an attempt to raise my po4 since its waaaaaay too low.

 

[Sabellafella]

If that cyano and or dino can just up and grow on a full acro colony like that, i would maybe work on cleaning up the water. Uv, floss, some larger waterchanges and such. Try to remove as much as you could every so often untill it dies down. But i hope this problem will resolve for you, ive never seen or heard of something like this before(other then typical die off tips)..

Maybe try switching salt for the time being.

 

[m0jjen]

Aquaforest reef salt is beeing used atm. Floss in the overflowbox. I actually did a 20% wc a week ago and the dinos went ape**** on the tank

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Aquaforest reef salt is beeing used atm. Floss in the overflowbox. I actually did a 20% wc a week ago and the dinos went ape**** on the tank

They increased immediatly after the WC ?

 

[m0jjen]

Havent really thought about it. Just know i almost had it beat and did a 20% wc and it got alot worse about two days later :/

 

[2una]

If it were me i'd be removing some of that siporax so the corals can have some nutrients while you sort out the other issue.
That's the 2nd test the po4 is still in the floor yeah? & with that so low the No3 must also be very low.
No kalk or gfo being used so its only bac driven whats keeping the nutrients so low?.
Carbon dosing?
Was it the Dinoxol that took your silicates from 132 to zero?

 

[jsker]

What is your PH?