Beginner clam questions

[George03]

And philosophical discussion as well! I love this hobby. I have learned so much about the reef biom, enviros, biology and chemistry, and stewardship. I get we are all learning, and there is no real recipe. That is why we have a very active discussion board. Text doesn't convey sentiment well, sometimes it reflects sometimes it projects.

I will do some more research today. I am good if my enviro isn't sufficient. I have a par meter and adjustable flows. The light will max out at 140 or so, I keep it at just over 100 par at the center sand, but now that I think about it, algae has been contained, I may have wiggle room. It's a whiter dominant band led, maybe think about that as well. Time to think and ponder on the ocean that covers 70 percent of earths surface.

My wife made me tear down a worn out freshwater 28 and surprised me with a 25 nano cube with acrylic white base, translation, read- easy to keep clean. Now she is like, 'your gonna need a bigger tank'!

 

[Sam7]

No, you don't get my point.

You're dismissing a request for information by misdescribing it as 'asking permission'.

You're using a tu quoque (look it up; you'd love learning about fallacies, I can tell), instead of addressing the question (which is about Tridacna clams and novice keepers), which -- like most fallacious claims -- is exactly not getting the point.

You're apparently completely unaware of the fact/value distinction (e.g. we should do this/we do do this).

You're assuming that all reefers are as irresponsible as you are recommending in "experimenting" instead of making educated and prudent care decisions.

No, you don't get my point.

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[Sam7]

No, you don't get my point.

You're dismissing a request for information by misdescribing it as 'asking permission'.

You're using a tu quoque (look it up; you'd love learning about fallacies, I can tell), instead of addressing the question (which is about Tridacna clams and novice keepers), which -- like most fallacious claims -- is exactly not getting the point.

You're apparently completely unaware of the fact/value distinction (e.g. we should do this/we do do this).

You're assuming that all reefers are as irresponsible as you are recommending in "experimenting" instead of making educated and prudent care decisions.

No, you don't get my point.

 

[Sam7]

No, no your not.

 

[Sam7]

No, you don't get my point.

You're dismissing a request for information by misdescribing it as 'asking permission'.

You're using a tu quoque (look it up; you'd love learning about fallacies, I can tell), instead of addressing the question (which is about Tridacna clams and novice keepers), which -- like most fallacious claims -- is exactly not getting the point.

You're apparently completely unaware of the fact/value distinction (e.g. we should do this/we do do this).

You're assuming that all reefers are as irresponsible as you are recommending in "experimenting" instead of making educated and prudent care decisions.

No, you don't get my point.

 

[fish_collector]

Purchasing a clam for one's reef tank should never be an experiment. You either have a tank that will support it or you don't. Full stop.

140 par is really not enough for a clam, even a derasa. Par at 250+, alk at 8, calcium at 450, measurable nitrate/phosphate and a clam will thrive. Anything less and a clam will just survive, and that isn't what we strive to do, thrive is the goal.

Keep in mind that a 3"+ actively growing clam in a small tank will deplete alk and calcium at a surprising rate, you will need to dose 2 part at minimum unless you change water often.

Fwiw, ive never wrote any books on clams, but I’ve grown a bunch of them so perhaps that does make me an expert on the subject? I just added another derasa to my SPS frag tank. It's only an inch long and in 6 months should quadruple in size. I'm not experimenting, I'm growing clams.

 

[Sam7]

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[Sam7]

I say go for it......were all just experimenting arent we?

I will apologize for my using the wrong word and some getting upset. No harm was meant as im sure most understood......

 

[fish_collector]

Yes we can agree to disagree.

Comparing one’s life and world to keeping a reef tank is an odd one for sure, one that I’m not even going to give any thought to.

 

[Flameback Pair]

Personally I'm removing the mechanical filtration from my system. I have a lot of filter feeders, feather dusters and what not. This should help my clam as well. I don't mind detritus floating in the water column. I noticed when I was using filter socks the Tunicates and other filter feeders really suffered. K

 

[minus9]

To the OP, please buy James Fatherree's book on clams here. Then after you've read it a couple times or understand the requirements, then I would try a clam. @Sam7 your approach doesn't seem to come with any responsibility or maybe I misunderstand that you're joking? Either way, not very good advice to give someone who's never cared for a particular animal.

 

[Malum Argenteum]

I didn't realize there was a second edition of that book. That's pretty cool.

 

[minus9]

I didn't realize there was a second edition of that book. That's pretty cool.

I think he added more pictures, but the info is the same.

 

[minus9]

www.jameswfatherree.com

 

[Malum Argenteum]

I think he added more pictures, but the info is the same.

There's different info (I think; see below). If I'm looking at the correct version, there are entries for a couple new species. There's an expanded discussion of lighting (which I had been critical of in the first edition, and he had responded to me back then), which I think is very useful.

The dedicated chapter on nutrition has been removed (looks maybe like a bit of that material was spread out in the care chapter, but the academic discussions of nutrition in the first ed seem to be gone). The original Chapter 4, on collection and farming seems to be entirely removed.

I found this to compare to my first edition copy; I assume it is the version available on Amazon (same page count), but I don't know that for absolute certain:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375547933_Giant_Clams_in_the_Reef_Aquarium_Biology_Identification_and_Care_Second_Edition

 

[Sam7]

To the OP, please buy James Fatherree's book on clams here. Then after you've read it a couple times or understand the requirements, then I would try a clam. @Sam7 your approach doesn't seem to come with any responsibility or maybe I misunderstand that you're joking? Either way, not very good advice to give someone who's never cared for a particular animal.

okay if you say so