I have a vectra L1 that was just replaced by Ecotech because it failed, something you will never get from Jebao. I also have a Red Dragon 230w. Though both the vectra and RD3 run silent, the vectra gets hot to the touch. The RD3 puts out nearly double the vectra in GPH and never even gets warm to the touch. With any product customer service is just as important as quality of product. Jebao could give away their products for free and they still wouldn't be worth it in my opinion since there is no customer support. With the amount of money and time we have invested in our tanks it amazes me that people want to skimp out and take short cuts with Jebao stuff to save a few $$ now only to spend it later replacing the pump or controller/power supply WHEN, not IF it fails. To each their own I guess