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https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/infosec-nerd-reef-intro.1096333/page-2 My intro was here. But, I figured I should take the ongoing growth of the tank elsewhere.

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Water Filtration:
AquaFX Barracuda Glacial 4 Stage - 1 Sediment, 2 NHCL Blasters, 1 DI Resin Containers.
Tank: Aqueon 40G Lagoon Style Breeder
Stand: Tideline 36x18" Double Door
Wavemaker: Aquatop Maxflow Slim DC Wavemaker w/ Control Unit for extra addins.
Return Pump & Filtration: Tidal 75 Power Filter w/ included mechanical and bio media. Purchased the chemical carbon media to keep in stock for emergencies.
Light: Blade AI Coral Grow 30" on tank stand. Extension raised rest ordered.
Salt Mix: Fritz RPM Reef Pro Mix Blue
Sand: CarbSea Aragonite Sand - 3x 15Lb bags.
Medicine Cabinet: API General Cure, API Fin & Body Cure, & KoralMD Coral & Frag Dip.
Reef Tank Parameters:


I ended up getting aragonite sand and though I dunk rinsed every pound of it in RODI water it still ended up being chock full of calcium deposits. Which honestly, probably ended up being a blessing in disguise, but more on that later. I set about filling the tank, and I was ultra paranoid the entire time. Every batch I mixed I paid incredibly close attention using the refractometer to make sure the salinity was uniform across each batch.

Once the tank had good salinity I measured the PH and other parameters to ensure necessary baselines. My PH off the bat was 8.25 and Ammonia and others were at 0. I used Fritz's turbo start and two clown fish. I wasn't going to do this at first, but a couple of the LFS owners in the area convinced me they were tanks and it would cycle quickly. Part of me didn't believe it, and I felt bad thinking I might hurt the poor guys, but I pulled the trigger anyways. I stocked the medicine cabinet with some basics for fish and coral just like I would coming home with any of my actual kids for the first time :grinning-face-with-sweat: . This forum was a great source of information.

I added a paired black snowflake clownfish couple. Young still, not much more than an inch if that. I was worried about the first 8 hours, but they played happily in the flow I had but it took them awhile to figure out how strong it was, the quarantine tanks they're used to don't have a ton of current apparently. I went through about seven local fish stores in DFW before I found one that did and could prove they did a decent quarantine, with the dates on the separated tanks glass. Most just told me it was too expensive to do, and they couldn't afford it. If this were any additional fish, i'd have still QT'd them. I will have to QT everything else coming in since it seems the majority can't manage enough volume and income to have an in depth quarantine program. I also added two Trochas Snails, and two very small hermit crabs. First day was nerve wracking, second and third were great. I only saw a small blip in daily testing on the Ammonia and then it went straight to Nitrate. Nitrate was only a couple API Test Levels above 0 so things are looking good.

With feeling like the tank was in pristine mode, I have been making sure salinity stays at 1.025 - 1.026. I also tested for Calcium, Mangesium, and Alkalinity. Calc was at 350, Mag was 1350, and Alk was 11. With that seeming stable I picked out my first two coral frags. A Sinularia Finger Leather and an orange Rhodachtus Mushroom. Its only been about a day with them. They were pretty upset with me when I dipped them and cut the frag plugs, but once they got in the tank and realized I wasn't trying to end them they were happier. The mushroom reacted quickly and spread back out after pouting very briefly. However, Carl - my finger leather, is very moody. First night he was very upset and shrank but kept his color. By morning he was mostly out with small polyps extended. But as i'm typing this he's retracted again. Fussy fellow but still colorful, so i'm hopeful eventually he gets used to me.

The clownfish want to turn themselves into blended sea food by the wavemaker, they seem to think its host worthy. The snails and hermit crabs were a little hungry at first, but one dose of algae wafer and a few pellets a couple days ago brightened their spirits. One of the Trochas snails has decided he's batman. Likes to hang upside down under the bridge at night. I also gave my first small dose of mysis shrimp to the tank this morning. Even at a third of a cube, it seems like it was way too much. I worry about spiking the Ammonia in the tank with it. I'm considering doing a water change for the first time this afternoon, but i'm nervous about disturbing the perfect storm I have at the moment with all the parameters being happy. I also don't want a spike to hit the tank. Ill test for ammonia in a few hours.



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https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/infosec-nerd-reef-intro.1096333/page-2 My intro was here. But, I figured I should take the ongoing growth of the tank elsewhere.

Build:

Tank:
Aqueon 40G Lagoon Style Breeder
Stand: Tideline 36x18" Double Door
Wavemaker: Aquatop Maxflow Slim DC Wavemaker w/ Control Unit for extra addins.
Return Pump & Filtration: Tidal 75 Power Filter w/ included mechanical and bio media. Purchased the chemical carbon media to keep in stock for emergencies.
Light: Blade AI Coral Grow 30" on tank stand. Extension raised rest ordered.
Salt Mix: Fritz RPM Reef Pro Mix Blue
Sand: CarbSea Aragonite Sand - 3x 15Lb bags.
Medicine Cabinet: API General Cure, API Fin & Body Cure, & KoralMD Coral & Frag Dip.


I ended up getting aragonite sand and though I dunk rinsed every pound of it in RODI water it still ended up being chock full of calcium deposits. Which honestly, probably ended up being a blessing in disguise, but more on that later. I set about filling the tank, and I was ultra paranoid the entire time. Every batch I mixed I paid incredibly close attention using the refractometer to make sure the salinity was uniform across each batch.

Once the tank had good salinity I measured the PH and other parameters to ensure necessary baselines. My PH off the bat was 8.25 and Ammonia and others were at 0. I used Fritz's turbo start and two clown fish. I wasn't going to do this at first, but a couple of the LFS owners in the area convinced me they were tanks and it would cycle quickly. Part of me didn't believe it, and I felt bad thinking I might hurt the poor guys, but I pulled the trigger anyways. I stocked the medicine cabinet with some basics for fish and coral just like I would coming home with any of my actual kids for the first time :grinning-face-with-sweat: . This forum was a great source of information.

I added a paired blackstorm clownfish couple. Young still, not much more than an inch if that. I was worried about the first 8 hours, but they played happily in the flow I had but it took them awhile to figure out how strong it was, the quarantine tanks they're used to don't have a ton of current apparently. I went through about seven local fish stores in DFW before I found one that did and could prove they did a decent quarantine, with the dates on the separated tanks glass. Most just told me it was too expensive to do, and they couldn't afford it. If this were any additional fish, i'd have still QT'd them. I will have to QT everything else coming in since it seems the majority can't manage enough volume and income to have an in depth quarantine program. I also added two Trochas Snails, and two very small hermit crabs. First day was nerve wracking, second and third were great. I only saw a small blip in daily testing on the Ammonia and then it went straight to Nitrate. Nitrate was only a couple API Test Levels above 0 so things are looking good.

With feeling like the tank was in pristine mode, I have been making sure salinity stays at 1.025 - 1.026. I also tested for Calcium, Mangesium, and Alkalinity. Calc was at 350, Mag was 1350, and Alk was 11. With that seeming stable I picked out my first two coral frags. A Sinularia Finger Leather and an orange Rhodachtus Mushroom. Its only been about a day with them. They were pretty upset with me when I dipped them and cut the frag plugs, but once they got in the tank and realized I wasn't trying to end them they were happier. The mushroom reacted quickly and spread back out after pouting very briefly. However, Carl - my finger leather, is very moody. First night he was very upset and shrank but kept his color. By morning he was mostly out with small polyps extended. But as i'm typing this he's retracted again. Fussy fellow but still colorful, so i'm hopeful eventually he gets used to me.

The clownfish want to turn themselves into blended sea food by the wavemaker, they seem to think its host worthy. The snails and hermit crabs were a little hungry at first, but one dose of algae wafer and a few pellets a couple days ago brightened their spirits. One of the Trochas snails has decided he's batman. Likes to hang upside down under the bridge at night. I also gave my first small dose of mysis shrimp to the tank this morning. Even at a third of a cube, it seems like it was way too much. I worry about spiking the Ammonia in the tank with it. I'm considering doing a water change for the first time this afternoon, but i'm nervous about disturbing the perfect storm I have at the moment with all the parameters being happy. I also don't want a spike to hit the tank. Ill test for ammonia in a few hours.



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You are off to a good start with your tank! I like your choice of clowns!
 
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You are off to a good start with your tank! I like your choice of clowns!
Thanks! I was nervous about the high Alk and PH but I hear its normal for DFW. The water around here apparently is just like that. I've seen a lot of people say that I shouldn't freak out and start dosing to get perfection and to ride it out but monitor in the early stages just to see if that's the equilibrium of the tank.
 
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Welp, my finger leather Carl is still mad at me. Go figure. He hasn't really extended his polyps that i've seen in about 24 hours. Bob my mushroom is doing great though and seems pretty happy. Spreads out, stretches his polyps, closes up, digests, then spreads back out. Clownfish are happy. Snails are happy but don't have much algae so i've been giving them some algae wafers very sparingly. Just enough to keep them going.

When I dose the mysis shrimp I think too much of it is going to waste. Really need to add some fish soon. 40 gallons is a lot for a couple juvenile blackstorm's I think. Tank just isn't getting a ton of organics and I don't think that's encouraging the finger leather coral to come out and play.

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Thanks for the correction. :) Should I be worried about the finger leather being shy or is that normal?
 
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Looks like you're off to a good start. I clicked into the thread worried there was going to be one of those plastic pineapple houses in your tank. I'm glad there isn't :)


Hahah! I was tempted. I do hope maybe someday I can get a small yellow sponge to stick in there but it may need a much bigger tank. If this reef tank does well when I move into my new office downstairs we're gonna turn it into a partial aquarium room and I want to put in like a 130-180 gallon tank or a pair of 130's in an L shape around the walls. #goals This is more to prove to myself I can raise and keep a reef. :)
 
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Had a slight Ammonia spike this evening. 0.25 ppm. Nitrite is at 0. Nitrate is at 10ppm. I think i've just overfed the Mysis shrimp, even cutting them into smaller slices. Two clownfish just isn't enough to feed something like that I think. I'm going to switch back to the flakes and see if that lowers the ammonia.
 
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Carl was happier this morning, the small polyps were all out and his green was particularly vibrant. Bob was happy as always. Black Snow Flake Clowns also happy. Aurora the Trochas Snail has taken up residence next to Carl. Fun. Derem my Trochas Snail that thinks he's Batman is hiding somewhere and I couldn't locate him. I went with my plan of only feeding a small amount of flakes this morning. They ate like crazy. I also checked the Ammonia its at 0.25. Nitrite 0. Nitrates 8-10 ish. Hard to tell with the API tests for sure due to the resolution.

I decided instead of a major water change i'd fill up a bucket of new mix salt water and take the Tidal 75 filter off and just tooth brush scrub the whole thing with said water and thoroughly agitate the bio and mechanical media filters. Once I did that and rinsed I put it all back together and back in the tank and turned it back on. I'm going to test for ammonia again this evening and see how things are going, but I think the Alkalinity and PH are keeping the ammonia from getting toxic. I did a PH test and it was at 8.2 still. So that might be why things are so forgiving even though theres a slight spike over 24 hours.
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Welp, looks like the tank didn't completely cycle or is going through another stronger cycle. I tested everything I could to get a baseline today. Salinity 1.025, Mg 1410, Ca 390, KH 7.6, PH 8.2, NH3 0.50, NO2 0.25, NO3 20.

Everything is mostly acceptable, though with rising Ammonia to 0.50 ppm i'm seeing Alkalinity/KH go down from 11 to 7.6. PH is holding strong at 8.2 but Nitrite is up to 0.25ppm and Nitrates are continuing to grow to 20ppm. It presents as a cycle to me even though I already witnessed one. I'm not going to add anything else to the tank until I see the Ammonia go to 0 again. Guess i'm holding off birthday plans to decorate the tank with more life. :confused-face: I just hope they don't all die over night.

I dosed KH from Red Sea Foundation B - it needs 27 ml but I only dosed 1ml and will wait another 12 hours before dosing more. Looks like the bacteria doing their work is depleting the KH and trying to do their jobs. Hopefully it stays that way and NH3 comes down.
 
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Yeah, just let it ride for a while. It'll come around. What test kit are you using for ammonia?

Hey Rhitee! Thanks for responding, its good for my peace of mind. :) I'm just using the API Master Test Kit so I know its not a very high resolution test perse. But I was warned away from the Hannah modules but i'm open ears for any better suggestions. The more accuracy the better!
 

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I'd say there is a good chance the ammonia spike you saw isn't really there. My guess is that it is just the resolution/error inherent in the test kit. Even if it was real, just give the bacteria time to catch up before you add any more bioload.

You probably won't be measuring ammonia much once your tank is a little more mature. I don't think I would invest much in another test kit.
 
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I'd say there is a good chance the ammonia spike you saw isn't really there. My guess is that it is just the resolution/error inherent in the test kit. Even if it was real, just give the bacteria time to catch up before you add any more bioload.

You probably won't be measuring ammonia much once your tank is a little more mature. I don't think I would invest much in another test kit.

This morning Ammonia was still 0.50ppm range and Nitrite was 0.25, but Nitrate had actually gone up to what looks like its almost red and in the 40ppm range. So as far as I can tell the bacteria are doing their thing. Fish and everything else are still happy. I also bumped the temp last night to between 79-80 to encourage bacteria growth. I also knocked the flow of the filter down a notch. Its a subtle adjustment but i'm hoping it helps.

I introduced a new tank mate, who is going to be my background. I named him Oscar. I see three small tentacles starting to pop out, so I guess I didn't traumatize him too bad.I don't want to add any more fish until i'm confident the ammonia is under control. None of the denizen's look worse for wear though. I did stop feeding mysis shrimp for now, and they are content with the flakes, though Bob definitely spread out more when there was a lot of meat in the tank. Maybe all mushrooms do that? Carl's extensions are at full mast though and that's encouraging. He's pretty far away from the power head but I still worry he's getting too much flow. Hah.

I'll test for ammonia again at bed time.


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So did an evening test for KH and Ammonia. Ammonia still reading the same color on the API Test. Elevated but seemingly under control. No change, if anything KH dropped slightly despite starting a gentle alkalinity increase. Maybe 7.5? Even after 3 ml of Red Sea Foundation B Alkalinity solution. So I just increased the dose size to 7ml. I'll dose another 7 in the morning, and 12 hours later the last 10. Hopefully that's enough to make a strong enough change to keep the Alkalinity up for long enough to help the bacteria pull through.

I'm heartened by the fact our new back glass GSP is starting to poke out of its body, so whatever is happening the corals, snails, and fish are all still content. I will use that as my guiding star as I maintain this management regimen until the ammonia spike abates. I am bummed because I desperately wanted to add a new fish for my birthday, but it looks like i'll have to wait.
 
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So after dosing 17 ml of KH Foundation the Alkalinity now reads at 8.6 Not as high as expected after nearly completing the regimen. But my suspicion is that the bacteria are leveraging the environment to do their job. I've also added 4 ml of additional nitrifying bacteria, my theory is that between the preferred KH environment and the extra colony help that I can stay ahead of this ammonia spike.

I just finished dosing the last 10 ml of KH for the 27 KH regimen. I will take measurements in the morning to see how we're doing. I hope the bacteria can rally the environment, as I really don't want to do a water change during what appears to be a second and much stronger cycle. If i've learned nothing out of this experience, don't listen to the LFS. Do a chemical cycle, wait a few weeks. The wait will save you hours of worry. On the upshot, i'm learning a ton about the balance in a cycling tank, what needs what else, and how supplementing the natural cycle can keep the things you cherish together. The fish and coral still all seem happy, I suspect i'm keeping the pace ahead of the sour end of the stick, but Nitrite increased from .25 to .50ppm. Nitrate is at 30, maybe slightly redder but not in the 40 range yet. PH is rock solid still at 8.2 and hasn't dropped even an enth. I assume the KH treatment is keeping the PH preserved from the acids being created from the process. I also validated the Ammonia tests on the QT tank. They're accurate - well, as accurate as the API tests can be.

If we reach 1ppm Ammonia i'll do a water change, but my hope is with the regimen of KH and Bacteria I just finished that won't be necessary. It might take 24 hours to see full results, but i'm hoping for any kind of sign in the morning that things are going the right direction. I will update tomorrow.
 
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Afternoon Update:

PH: 8.2
KH: 9.0
Nh3: 1
NO2: 1
NO3: 40

We're seeing PH and KH responding positively to Foundation B Alkalinity additive. I'm aiming for 11.7 alkalinity and need one more dose tonight to finish the regimen. The Alk is being used for the transition of NH3 > NO2 > NO3 so i'm heartened by this fact. But it clearly looks like a proper cycle. I was gonna do a water change, but part of me gets the impression I should leave the bacteria alone and let it do its job. The water is not acidic, Nitrates are going up, and if we're seeing swings in the right direction that could mean i'm cresting near the crescendo. I'm going to go pick up a higher resolution test kit from one of the LFS now so I can get a better reading. I can't drop 1300 on a full system right now but its on the list for next month. Maybe some Hannah's for now? I'll see what they have.

Denizens still exhibiting content behavior.

I'll update again before bed tonight.
 
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The KH regimen worked great. Denizens still happy. Bedtime Measurements:

Mg: 1440
Ca: 390
KH: 11.7
NH3: 0.75
PH: 8.2
NO2: 1.0
NO3: 40
 

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