Cirrhilabrus Brunneus and SP

Breakthecycle2 · Jun 24, 2016

Im getting my hands on C. Brunneus, either male, pair or trio and this unidentified Cirrhilabrus. Looks almost like a tono's fairy with a genetic "discoloration"?

eatbreakfast · Jun 24, 2016

Breakthecycle2 said:
Im getting my hands on C. Brunneus, either male, pair or trio and this unidentified Cirrhilabrus. Looks almost like a tono's fairy with a genetic "discoloration"?

Another of those blue throated variants showed up a yr or two ago through NY Aquatic. That blue throat shows up in the complex from time to time. It's more common in rubripinnis and filamentosus.

Breakthecycle2 · Jun 24, 2016

eatbreakfast said:
Another of those blue throated variants showed up a yr or two ago through NY Aquatic. That blue throat shows up in the complex from time to time. It's more common in rubripinnis and filamentosus.

Yes, thats who has it now.

evolved · Jun 24, 2016

eatbreakfast said:
Another of those blue throated variants showed up a yr or two ago through NY Aquatic. That blue throat shows up in the complex from time to time. It's more common in rubripinnis and filamentosus.

Yup, and this one here is just tonozukai again.

SantaMonicaHelp · Jun 28, 2016

The fish looks really cool! Very unique.

-MJ

Duke4Life · Jun 28, 2016

Breakthecycle2 said:
Im getting my hands on C. Brunneus, either male, pair or trio and this unidentified Cirrhilabrus. Looks almost like a tono's fairy with a genetic "discoloration"?

Skip the pair or trio. It may work short term but not long.

NYAquatic · Jun 29, 2016

evolved said:
Yup, and this one here is just tonozukai again.

Nope

https://reefs.com/2016/06/28/mysterious-sailfin-fairy-wrasse-collected-philippines/

ZoaCollector · Jul 2, 2016

eatbreakfast said:
Another of those blue throated variants showed up a yr or two ago through NY Aquatic. That blue throat shows up in the complex from time to time. It's more common in rubripinnis and filamentosus.

It's new undescribed species, thought to have long been a hybrid of Tonozukai and Rubriprinnus is now being recognized as a new species.
Lemon TYK should be analyzing this one for a proper name soon.

Breakthecycle2 · Jul 7, 2016

Duke4Life said:
Skip the pair or trio. It may work short term but not long.

WHy?

4FordFamily · Jul 7, 2016

NYAquatic said:
Nope

https://reefs.com/2016/06/28/mysterious-sailfin-fairy-wrasse-collected-philippines/

Wow that's pretty neat. Great find!

Duke4Life · Jul 8, 2016

Breakthecycle2 said:
WHy?

Because it's not if they transition to male but when.

eatbreakfast · Jul 8, 2016

NYAquatic said:
Nope

https://reefs.com/2016/06/28/mysterious-sailfin-fairy-wrasse-collected-philippines/

ZoaCollector said:
It's new undescribed species, thought to have long been a hybrid of Tonozukai and Rubriprinnus is now being recognized as a new species.
Lemon TYK should be analyzing this one for a proper name soon.

While it may be being analyzed and looked at, if we take a look at the physical traits, we see intermediary features, most prominently associated with tonozukai, but also rubripinnis. The most obvious evidence for it being a hybrid is the stunted filament. When looking at species that have filaments, it's never just a nub in males. Even the dorsal fin patterns line up with tonozukai, another trait that is species specific. Even though a few specimens were found, this would only indicate conditions in this region are favorable to this type of hybridization.

Duke4Life said:
Because it's not if they transition to male but when.

^Yup.

4FordFamily · Jul 8, 2016

Hybrid or Sailfin that wrasse is absolutely stunning

Duke4Life · Jul 8, 2016

4FordFamily said:
Hybrid or Sailfin that wrasse is absolutely stunning

+1

Duke4Life · Jul 8, 2016

@Breakthecycle2 if this was leopards you would be fine as they don't transition like fairies and flashers. We all have our pet peeves and when I see these sold in pairs or groups it blows my mind due to the information I stated above being out there.

evolved · Jul 8, 2016

Duke4Life said:
@Breakthecycle2 if this was leopards you would be fine as they don't transition like fairies and flashers. We all have our pet peeves and when I see these sold in pairs or groups it blows my mind due to the information I stated above being out there.

I have a great article on this that was written back in December, if @revhtree would get his butt in gear and publish it! :D

evolved · Jul 8, 2016

eatbreakfast said:
While it may be being analyzed and looked at, if we take a look at the physical traits, we see intermediary features, most prominently associated with tonozukai, but also rubripinnis. The most obvious evidence for it being a hybrid is the stunted filament. When looking at species that have filaments, it's never just a nub in males. Even the dorsal fin patterns line up with tonozukai, another trait that is species specific. Even though a few specimens were found, this would only indicate conditions in this region are favorable to this type of hybridization.

Yup.

Until we have some sequencing done on this "new" species, anything written about whether it is a new species or not is purely speculative. Right now it depends on which camp you're in; the "splitters" (those who tend to signify a new species by minor deviations from a known species, and split them off as new), or the "groupers" (those who tend to qualify minor deviations as the same known species).