You're right @92Miata, I am not the mod of this forum, and I don't want to violate any sponsor rules. You should keep posting whatever you want. I will just encourage people to read through your thread references fully and carefully.
I don't know what the heck you're proud of.
I understand that you are angry. I also understand your point. However, it also seems to be true, that nothing I say is going to change your mind or satisfy you at this point. So I will state the following, and then end my contribution to this argument. Not because I'm frustrated. Just because it makes no sense to keep going over these same points just to get criticized again. Keeping this back and forth going serves no one. You will have your say and comments about what I am about to say below. But don't take my silence as avoidance. It is really just because I don't see the point to keep it going.I don't know what the heck you're proud of.
There were frequent reports of issues with the Turkish salt by early summer of last year. I'd guess there have been problems the entire time the Turkish plant was open. You, and your company, and BRS, for many months told people "There's nothing wrong with the salt" followed by "it's just a bit of harmless clay" before finally, a full recall.
Here's you, telling people everything is fine after someone mentioned issues, a full 6 months before public sentiment got bad enough that you had to recall. I will also point out that you posted 39 times on that forum over a 19 year period - and posted multiple times in a local club thread where someone mentioned a TM issue 6 months before the recall.
Absolutely nothing to be proud of here.
That would definitely make me change again if I see that. I haven’t yet though. I did like HW Marinemix as well and same success with it but they kept running out of stock and is why I finally switched to Tropic Marin
I'm hitting the Redsea Blue bucket for a while to see how that goes. Far better for where I run my tank parameter-wise, cheaper and gets good results from what I have seen. If TM gets whatever this issue is sorted out I will gladly try them again at a later date but... if I see excellent results from this salt change with a little bit of residue in my mixing container it may be hard to give it up considering I am having poor results and dirty containers right now...
I use red blue bucket I been happy with it only salt I ever used
Simply because it takes months to do a true test of this kind of issue, unless something really obvious shows up in ICP testing, which did not. Tropic Marin made the decision, out of an abundance of concern and commitment to our customers and the animals they keep, to start the replacement and stop manufacturing in that facility, before our testing was completed. Now that the testing is completed, we have also made the decision, since we are so far into the replacement program, that we would follow it to conclusion, even though our testing has shown nothing that would negatively effect coral health. With public opinion being what it is, and the way that hole influence works, it doesn't seem wise to now start telling people that we were replacing your salt before, but are not doing that anymore.
I'm not sure I know what you are looking for in the way of results. As I have said, nothing showed up in either mass spectrometry to electron microscopy. The thing that took the time was testing batch after batch in live comparative test tanks. In those tests, also nothing came up as remarkable or detrimental to coral or fish health. There was just nothing detrimental that we were able to find in any kind of testing.
You see, this way other people will say the salt killed their corals and you'll say it wasn't the salt, but none show the proof. I believe probably have a ton of data from lots of tests, why not make it available? I won't understand a thing, but I'm sure there are many people here who will. If there's nothing detrimental, making this info available is the best for everyone stop this discussion
People will always have something to say. We have tested hundreds of batches. If we post ICP results, those people will say THIS is a good batch, what about all the others. If we show the pictures of the tanks with great looking corals doing water changes each week with salt from the facility in Turkey, they will say, those tanks are fine and TM is just posting great looking corals showing nothing about the salt manufactured in Turkey. The bottom line is that nothing has shown up in any of our testing that would negatively influence the health of corals or fish. I really don't want to get into a posting war of he said, she said, they said. The people that trust our brand, it's long scientific history and it's approach to this issue, will trust that what we say is what we have found. We will never be able to convince, no matter what we post, the people who do not trust or believe us. I really want to give the most accurate information I can and not get into that kind of posting war. It never leads to a resolution. I hope that is understandable and makes sense.
