yea, the thing is I already have the Red Sea lol just not “upgraded”. I’m going to look and see if anyone has an octopus for saleYeah dude just get an Octopus. I have had A lot of skimmers over all the years .. I have not had a newer Red Sea but as some have described sounds like performance of the old school “triple pass Berlin” skimmer of past .. looks dope but not much skimate ?