Copperband butterfly questions

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Mine of near 6 years is an eating machine since day one. You want to see them eating and prequarantined lowers risk. Too many rush or try to rush them into eating. Give them a couple of days to settle in and try 1/2 clam on shell, blackworm and even spirulina mysis shrimp

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There's something wrong with the fish you are purchasing, something wrong with your water/tank or another fish killing them. CBB can be difficult but a healthy fish does not die overnight for no reason much less twice. Tank size along with parameters and stocking list will be helpful. A full tank shot also can be useful. I'll link a post below with some very good info on CBBs.
I love CBBs this is my pair
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The article by @i cant think
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/c...-a-beautiful-but-hard-to-keep-species.906341/
Wow, they are gorgeous! Do they hang together?
I had a CBB for a couple years and things it could not resist were live white worms and whole fresh shellfish.
 
I would make sure the CBB is eating and not excessively thin. Then you must keep them in a dedicated tank to get them use to captivity food first. Only once they are eating well then they can be released to DT
 
Wow, they are gorgeous! Do they hang together?
I had a CBB for a couple years and things it could not resist were live white worms and whole fresh shellfish.
Yes they do hang out together. They are a M/F pair. Two only works if they are male and female since they do not transition like some fish.
 
Yes they do hang out together. They are a M/F pair. Two only works if they are male and female since they do not transition like some fish.
If I can positively determine the sex of my CB, can I add another one of the opposite sex? Will they get along and pair up?
 
If I can positively determine the sex of my CB, can I add another one of the opposite sex? Will they get along and pair up?
Most of the time. Larger female sometime beat up smaller male, but @alton has a pair with the female larger than the male.
I am so happy that a lot of reefers start to keep these butterfly in pairs successfully.
 
If I can positively determine the sex of my CB, can I add another one of the opposite sex? Will they get along and pair up?
I used the article @OrionN linked above to determine I had a female. The male I introduced was and still is a bit smaller than the female. When I first introduced the male the female pinned him in a corner and I had to remove him. I did not use an acclimation box which was my mistake. I kept the male out for a month while his damaged fins healed then reintroduced him in an acclimation box. After 9 days I opened the box and the female swam in and the two swam out together and have been together since. That was 5 months ago.
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The male was kept in observation in a tank with live rock and softies while I trained it to eat what all the other fish are fed. IMO its very important to have the new CBB eating out of the water column not just picking at rocks before adding them to the DT.
 
actually saturday evening it did eat 1 worm , suprised the $#@! out of me actually, but like I said above we woke up the next morning to it breathing heavily and it progressively got worse the rest of the day until it passed.... I am not giving up I honestly believe it could be possible that being put in bags of compressed air from the LFS is the culprit... these are very fragile fish I am well aware of, especially when they are in a new environment, but if i could just get 1 to actually survive a while I would be so happy ... that was my 4th btw now I am seriously thinking of ordering one online that has been eating and quarantined and shipped overnite to me instead of dealing with a LFS ... which is a bummer but it seems I cant get a healthy one around here. I have several fish in my display tank in the above photo, I would not even think of putting a copperband in that tank until I am certain it is healthy and eating eagerly.... I have a 20 long set up right next to it for quarantine with 1 percula clown that is so friendly he swims up to me every time I walk up to the tanks, like most of my fish will....
water parameters are fine, and actually I have blackworms to feed a copperband when I have them which is what they love to eat, and I've got mastic and frozen mysis etc... I have everything to succeed but can not get a break on one making it long enough to go to the main display.
I have had fishes that died after being netted and bagged by LFS staff. I never let myself purchase fish from that staff again. I have watched fish die in the bag after being netted and bashed into a bag. Totally wanted to thrash those staffers for being so careless with a living creature.

What is the opposite of fish battery?

Lots of pictures on line of folks holding fishes in the palms of their hands, no water, and the fish remains still for a photograph. Learn how to handle fish, and do not stand by and not reprimand any idiot who net bashes (could I be doing this? I don't mean to) livestock at the LFS. But I digress.

Acclimation guide:

Float bag for 15 minutes, or until the tank and the bag temperatures feel the same.

Open bag, reach in and gently cup the fish with your hand and lift it out being careful not to startle yourself and then the fish. Remain calm. Stay in controll.

Tell the fish (with either prayer or a quiet voice) that you are not going to harm it, you don't want to eat it, and most important, that you are sorry that it was removed by those other evil people who caught it in the ocean. You have rescued the fish and will provide it with a good home, and you expect it to live for many years to come happily in the tiny tank area that you are releasing it into.

Make sure the fish doesn't jump, secure the lid if you have one, and then back away from the tank and watch the fish explore the new confinement. Feed the tank, good fresh food, an extra meal lets everyone know that the new guy isn't going to mean less rations.

The myth of the delicate Copperband. They will eat like pigs if they feel safe and come begging like seagulls on the beach once they understand the situation. Take control of the situation, and make it a comfortable one.

like a boss swimming GIF
 
its very important to have the new CBB eating out of the water column not just picking at rocks before adding them to the DT.
The only thing my CBB would eat out of the water column was white worms and even then it could not compete with the angels and tangs. Fragile creature only lasted two or three years. Never really thrived like the other fish...
 
The only thing my CBB would eat out of the water column was white worms and even then it could not compete with the angels and tangs. Fragile creature only lasted two or three years. Never really thrived like the other fish...
Sorry to hear yours would not eat. Did you keep it in isolation and get it eating first? I did not add either of mine to the DT untill after they were eating. IME this part is key to success tho some have success skipping it I have not. I took it one step further and fed the CBB in the acclimation box while in the DT. There are large holes where the food can pass through so the other fish get food but the CBB in the box get first chance at it. All the other fish swarm the box so it gives the CBB the illusion it is competing for the food because of the other fish going after it. After 9 days in the box the CBB ate out of the water column with 8 tangs. This is my pair feeding on a frozen mix heavy on mysis. Its really fun to watch them play tug a war with the tangs when I toss earth worms in, I need to get a video of that some day.

 
My first three fish were a pair of blue ring angels and a CBB. They were all not much bigger than a quarter. Their main diet was whole fresh clams, oysters and mussels. The angels grew much faster than the CBB.
Just looked back in my fish diary, I had the CBB for almost four years. About a year ago, I added a little foxface and a couple little tangs. They grew fast and I think that's what did my CBB in. It just could not keep up at dinner time. It was not getting picked on, it was just fragile and shy.
 
Sorry to hear yours would not eat. Did you keep it in isolation and get it eating first? I did not add either of mine to the DT untill after they were eating. IME this part is key to success tho some have success skipping it I have not. I took it one step further and fed the CBB in the acclimation box while in the DT. There are large holes where the food can pass through so the other fish get food but the CBB in the box get first chance at it. All the other fish swarm the box so it gives the CBB the illusion it is competing for the food because of the other fish going after it. After 9 days in the box the CBB ate out of the water column with 8 tangs. This is my pair feeding on a frozen mix heavy on mysis. Its really fun to watch them play tug a war with the tangs when I toss earth worms in, I need to get a video of that some day.


oh yea, I kept it in a tank with 1 clownfish that was very friendly, and yet it only ate 1 blackworm and by the next morning it was heading out..not much i could have done... I did find out they used 1.019 salinity at the place the lfs get their fish from , which is kind of disturbing..... but I did acclimate with a drip for a few hours or more and still same result each time.... I currently have another lfs that seems to be better with fish looking into getting a couple... I once again have a fresh tank ready to go for them and have blackworms on standby ........ I know they are hard to keep and have made it my mission to learn everything I can about these little guys
 
I used the article @OrionN linked above to determine I had a female. The male I introduced was and still is a bit smaller than the female. When I first introduced the male the female pinned him in a corner and I had to remove him. I did not use an acclimation box which was my mistake. I kept the male out for a month while his damaged fins healed then reintroduced him in an acclimation box. After 9 days I opened the box and the female swam in and the two swam out together and have been together since. That was 5 months ago.
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The male was kept in observation in a tank with live rock and softies while I trained it to eat what all the other fish are fed. IMO its very important to have the new CBB eating out of the water column not just picking at rocks before adding them to the DT.
Love to hear good things like this... I know it can be done not giving up here..
 
I used the article @OrionN linked above to determine I had a female. The male I introduced was and still is a bit smaller than the female. When I first introduced the male the female pinned him in a corner and I had to remove him. I did not use an acclimation box which was my mistake. I kept the male out for a month while his damaged fins healed then reintroduced him in an acclimation box. After 9 days I opened the box and the female swam in and the two swam out together and have been together since. That was 5 months ago.
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The male was kept in observation in a tank with live rock and softies while I trained it to eat what all the other fish are fed. IMO its very important to have the new CBB eating out of the water column not just picking at rocks before adding them to the DT.
Love to hear good things like this... I know it can be done not giving up here..


Atta boy!! I have 2 fish that are listed expert only, leopard wrasse and cbb, according to liveaquaria. Both have dietary considerations. And both are eating frozen everyday. Maybe i got lucky???(prolly)
I am not an expert. But i have cajones, and ima do what i want done. Make mistakes, impulse buy, ignore reef2reef advice.
Happy reefing!!
 
Copperband Reefers! I agree with BryanM, don’t buy the CBB from anyone unless you see them looking healthy and eating frozen foods.
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Have any of you had success getting a CBB to eat pellets? The reason I ask is that I use them in an auto feeder when I spend weekends away from the house, and was wondering how I'd go about feeding without having to hire someone to do it. I'm not aware of any automated frozen feeders that are commercially available.
 
I recently bought a CBB from my lfs. They had two and I asked the employee if he could feed them so I could see if they were eating frozen. One did, so I bought it. It was looking great in my tank eating frozen brine and mysis but wouldn't eat the frozen black worms. I came home from work one day and it was on the sanded breathing heavily. Had it a total of 8 days before losing it. Not sure what happened but really bummed since this one was eating and healthy looking. Do you think what caused the death of the OP and my CBB could be from cyanide poisoning?
 

HOW MUCH DOES A FISH’S FEEDING REQUIREMENTS AFFECT YOUR STOCKING DECISIONS?

  • A lot! - I avoid fish that require frequent or specialized feeding

    Votes: 9 25.7%
  • Quite a bit, but an automatic feeder can change my answer

    Votes: 6 17.1%
  • It depends on whether my nutrient export can handle it

    Votes: 5 14.3%
  • It depends on how badly I want the fish

    Votes: 10 28.6%
  • Not much. I’m willing to adjust my routine

    Votes: 9 25.7%
  • Not at all. Feeding demands don’t limit my stocking choices

    Votes: 5 14.3%
  • I usually learn about the demanding feeding schedule after buying the fish!

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • I haven’t really considered this before

    Votes: 3 8.6%
  • Something else (see my comments in the thread)

    Votes: 1 2.9%
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