DIY Vanadium, which chemical form would work?

[chrismelb]

I'm interested in making my own solution of Vanadium, but unsure of which chemical form would be ideal. Would something like this work VOSO4*xH2O (Vanadium (IV) oxide sulfate hydrate)?

Thanks in advance

Chris

 

[JimWelsh]

Matt Wandell has posted an ASW recipe that uses V2O5. Not sure if that's ideal or not, but I understand that's what they use (or used) at Steinhart.

 

[chrismelb]

Matt Wandell has posted an ASW recipe that uses V2O5. Not sure if that's ideal or not, but I understand that's what they use (or used) at Steinhart.

Thanks Jim, would you happen to have link to this recipe?

 

[JimWelsh]

Thanks Jim, would you happen to have link to this recipe?

Yes, I do, but I'm pretty sure forum rules prohibit me from posting it. If you google about stuff like "source for diy salt mix ingredients" you just might find it ;).

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

The predominate form is seawater is VO4---, in two protonated versions depending on pH: HVO4-- and H2VO4- according the Chemical Oceanography by Millero.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

If you can get it, sodium orthovanadate (Na3VO4)might be a fine choice.

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/s6508?lang=en&region=US

 

[chrismelb]

If you can get it, sodium orthovanadate (Na3VO4)might be a fine choice.

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/s6508?lang=en&region=US

Great, I'll check to see if I can get this. V2O5 is rather expensive.

 

[jzw]

is there a source for V that's more accessible to us non-professionals?

:rolleyes:

i submitted an order with sigma aldrich, but i doubt it'll be approved.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

It's not cheap or currently in stock, but Amazon sometimes sells it:

https://www.amazon.com/Millipore-56...25808471&sr=8-1&keywords=sodium+orthovanadate

 

[JimWelsh]

I've ordered chemicals from Bio-world.com before as a private party: https://www.bio-world.com/productinfo/4_847/143575/Sodium-orthovanadate.html

 

[w2inc]

What is the dosing strategy? Is there a cost effective test kit? Is it one of the elements that can exist at high levels without issues?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

What is the dosing strategy? Is there a cost effective test kit? Is it one of the elements that can exist at high levels without issues?

There's no test kit. You need to get the value from ICP at a "send it out" company like Triton.

I personally wouldn't dose blind since a few folks have already elevated vanadium, but it is most likely safe to dose NSW levels once a week or less.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Here's a more recent discussion of DIY forms:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/vanadium-pentoxide-need-help-from-the-big-brains.409810/

 

[sullest]

It's not cheap or currently in stock, but Amazon sometimes sells it:

Amazon product

@Randy Holmes-Farley -- would you recommend Potassium Orthovanadate as an alternative. Thanks in advance.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

@Randy Holmes-Farley -- would you recommend Potassium Orthovanadate as an alternative. Thanks in advance.

Potassium orthovanadate would be equally good to sodium orthovanadate. :)