I will say there is nothing that can replace good husbandry and putting in the work. However, I can also say that kz coral 1 2 3 4 has helped out with color in my tank. Without the work I put in, none of it would matter though
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It would be helpful if there was an independent organization that represented the hobbyists, and provided the research to guard against product claims. The industry is well represented, but us hobbyists don't seem to have anyone looking out for our best interests.
If there are fools to buy it.. let it be!Its actually very simply. If you cant prove the product DOESNT do it, they are not liable for false advertising. Are you going to foot the cost to prove it doesnt work?
Unfortunately the only organization large enough to do that, and with a big enough audience, also sells these products so would never be able to provide good research (BRS).It would be helpful if there was an independent organization that represented the hobbyists, and provided the research to guard against product claims. The industry is well represented, but us hobbyists don't seem to have anyone looking out for our best interests.
they're the Biggest dealer on the block with a giant gold rope chain, and one of those gold rings that fit on 3 fingers that says BRS in diamonds! they step on all the products! wheres pookie!!!Unfortunately the only organization large enough to do that, and with a big enough audience, also sells these products so would never be able to provide good research (BRS).
Yeah, it would have to be completely unassociated with any industry manufacturers. A membership fee would most likely be required for funding. Manufacturers sponsor social media for advertising, and we assume the product works because the promoters say so when they show off their tanks, for example.Unfortunately the only organization large enough to do that, and with a big enough audience, also sells these products so would never be able to provide good research (BRS).
I swapped to NSW 6 months ago. I was using Aquaforrest salt. I have a Foxface who from addition went very dull in colour., Since going NSW she has now got her bright yellow body back.In a world where we ought to be smart enough to require evidence of something, does ANY manufacturer or supplier of reef aquarium additives actually provide evidence that the product does what it claims?
I don't mean simple ingredient claims such as contains (iron, vanadium, magnesium, etc) which is mostly meaningless without numbers (a pinch of dried ocean water meets that claim for any element), or even those with numbers (which themselves have even been wrong in some cases), but rather the more complex claims that really jazz up reefers, but for which no evidence is ever shown.
Here's a few real examples:
for intense coloration of coral
Stimulates and Optimizes Coral Growth
enhance the growth and coloration of corals
help with growth, coloration, and vitality
the end result is stronger, healthier and more colorful corals.
promotes the pink colors in corals
production of the purple/blue pigments in the soft tissue of corals.
may have a positive effect on the color of corals.
maintaining Bromide at appropriate levels is very beneficial for coral coloration and growth
The list goes on and on. It's like an arms race about supplements.
Here's what I imagine happens...
Company X claims purples are boosted by their concoction of elements.
Company Y thinks that if they don't make similar claims, who would buy it? What colors should we claim that no one else does? Hmmm. Soemthing they may have already and can look at and imagine it is getting better. Don't want a lot of returns...
I first entered the hobby before social media influencers were really a thing, and it's absolutely freaking WILD to me that there are people slinging skinny teas on instagram right beside people trying to sell me a reef probiotic which will helpThere's another step after that Randy.
Company X and Y both find an influential reefer with a beautiful reef and sponser them to spread the word on forums and instagram, and thousands of consumers suddenly feel like they NEED that product.
Still seems like good lighting, good flow, and some maturity are the main ingredients of the nicest tanks I see on here.
It would be helpful if there was an independent organization that represented the hobbyists, and provided the research to guard against product claims. The industry is well represented, but us hobbyists don't seem to have anyone looking out for our best interests.
That’s the strategy of an incredibly large industry section ranging from pets, all sorts of hobbies to pharmacy products. What’s in front of the pharmacy counter is all snakeoil and sadly, is what they make their money on. These type of claims are more the norm than the exception.In a world where we ought to be smart enough to require evidence of something, does ANY manufacturer or supplier of reef aquarium additives actually provide evidence that the product does what it claims?
I don't mean simple ingredient claims such as contains (iron, vanadium, magnesium, etc) which is mostly meaningless without numbers (a pinch of dried ocean water meets that claim for any element), or even those with numbers (which themselves have even been wrong in some cases), but rather the more complex claims that really jazz up reefers, but for which no evidence is ever shown.
Here's a few real examples:
for intense coloration of coral
Stimulates and Optimizes Coral Growth
enhance the growth and coloration of corals
help with growth, coloration, and vitality
the end result is stronger, healthier and more colorful corals.
promotes the pink colors in corals
production of the purple/blue pigments in the soft tissue of corals.
may have a positive effect on the color of corals.
maintaining Bromide at appropriate levels is very beneficial for coral coloration and growth
The list goes on and on. It's like an arms race about supplements.
Here's what I imagine happens...
Company X claims purples are boosted by their concoction of elements.
Company Y thinks that if they don't make similar claims, who would buy it? What colors should we claim that no one else does? Hmmm. Soemthing they may have already and can look at and imagine it is getting better. Don't want a lot of returns...
There are people on this board that act like this. They spend their own money and evaluate and test things to help the hobby. The do some tremendous work, but also take a lot of grief. Just look through the trolls and haters for people pointing out that Vibrant was not bacteria. This is not free in terms of money, effort or stress.
I spend $800 on the Vibrant deal. Currently about $500 into Chemiclean - just wait for the grief that I get when I post the results. My focus is on manufacturers who blatantly lie and break laws, which is different than unsubstantiated claims. There are many more besides me. I have been offered money to shut up, which was not taken.
What is needed is for a centralized org to fund these people a bit. Reef2reef could do this since they take money and their members benefit, but they never have offered a penny that I know of. A fund where 100% of the donations go to research like this would be good, but I have no expertise on to do this.
I swapped to NSW 6 months ago. I was using Aquaforrest salt. I have a Foxface who from addition went very dull in colour., Since going NSW she has now got her bright yellow body back.