Maybe it does have a big carbon source in it.How did Prime use cause a bacteria bloom? was it like dosing vinegar?
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Maybe it does have a big carbon source in it.How did Prime use cause a bacteria bloom? was it like dosing vinegar?
I once caused a bacteria bloom because I overdosed prime to prevent ammonia.
It seems prime can support bacterial growth.How did Prime use cause a bacteria bloom? was it like dosing vinegar?
What is that brown stuff?It seems prime can support bacterial growth.
(Inside of one of my old bottles of Prime)
Love it!It seems prime can support bacterial growth.
(Inside of one of my old bottles of Prime)
Adds to my suspicion that it contains vinyl polymers. A big carbon source..It seems prime can support bacterial growth.
(Inside of one of my old bottles of Prime)
Presumably bacterial clumps suspended in the bottle from me contaminating the Prime.What is that brown stuff?
Absolutely depending on which bacteria is in there. Some are obligate though. They will work in anaerobic/aerobic situations in different ways. A smell of rotten sulfur h2s gas could tell you this.Presumably bacterial clumps suspended in the bottle from me contaminating the Prime.
That certainly would support bacterial growth if it contained carbon and it wouldn't surprise me if it did, but I wonder if bacteria could use the sulfur compounds in the product instead of carbon.
Adds to my suspicion that it contains vinyl polymers. A big carbon source..
@Randy Holmes-Farley Yes wild speculation. His bottle of prime was said to be 1-2 years old. In other thread I crudely tested erase-cl said it contains sulfonates. I believe this to be vinyl sulfonate. This and PVpyrroylidone is used in many brands. It would make sense that seachem uses it to.
You know as well as I. In some cases sds will not list anything if proprietary. Especially for uses in non humans. Except hazard data, and saftey. They give you half the info right here.The SDS for this other product (erase-cl) does not list sulfonates. What is your reason to think it contains one?
You know as well as I. In some cases sds will not list anything if proprietary. Especially for uses in non humans. Except hazard data, and saftey. They give you half the info right here.
Yes but some saying reducer I don't think they actually mean it as a reducing agent. AlsoSince that is an ammonia reducing product, there's no reason to think that it is anything other than the widely used aquarium ammonia reducing agent, hydroxymethanesulfonate:
Ammonia and the Reef Aquarium by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
Treatments for Elevated Ammonia: Hydroxymethanesulfonate
Various types of compounds are used in commercial products to bind ammonia in marine aquaria. One is hydroxymethanesulfonate (HOCH2SO3-). It is a known ammonia binder16 patented for aquarium use by John F. Kuhns17 and sold as Amquel by Kordon and ClorAm-X by Reed Mariculture, among others.
Ammonia's reaction with hydroxymethanesulfonate is mechanistically complicated, possibly involving decomposition to formaldehyde and reformation to the product aminomethanesulfonate (shown below).16 The simplified overall reaction is believed to be:
NH3 + HOCH2SO3- --> H2NCH2SO3- + H2O
What ultimately happens to the aminomethanesulfonate in a marine or reef aquarium is not well established, but it does appear to be significantly less toxic than ammonia, and more than likely it is processed by bacteria into other compounds.
Marineland Bio-Safe claims to contain sodium hydroxymethanesulfinic acid (HOCH2SO2-). I do not know if that is a typographical error, or if Marineland really uses this slightly different compound.
Note: products containing hydroxymethanesulfonate hamper the ability to test for ammonia when using certain types of test kits (see above). Presumably, the H2NCH2SO3- formed is still reactive with the Nessler reagents, even though it is not ammonia.
@Randy Holmes-Farley If however it changes form, binds to carbon, or has other carbon impurities it could.
Rongalite mentioned in other thread density too high, melting point low, but boiling points very high. Ph high also. I don't think this would act same way were seeing. Has anyone actually tested density, and ph of prime?
Yes I know what it is. The water solution would still probably have a higher boiling point, and a higher density than water. If example 30% solution of VS is upwards of 1.29g/ml, and a boiling point less than water. I found that while not using a thermometer erase-cl it was seemingly lower than water. Also unnoted that it seemed to have 2 boiling points. It could rule rongalite out if someone tests this on prime. I agree reducing chemically ammonia at home is not happening.It's a water solution, not a solid.
Rongalite is the hydromethanesufonate I mentioned above, the widely used ammonia reducing agent I mentioned above. When I say reducing, i mean concentration reducing, not chemical oxidation state reducing, which is not happening to ammonia.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23342944/ says aerobic is not likely occurring without changes, but inside a bottle for 1-2 years is anaerobic and could have bacterial contamination.