Dynos?

[Bcook1016]

Honestly I would try to return the anemone if you can, I don’t think he’ll be able to bear instability too well and it might die

Im hoping he can handle it but I’m not dosing anything it’ll just be water changes and siphoning

 

[AAAReefing]

Okay I’ll do the siphoning with water changes and dosing microbacter 7 and stay consistent with that and also add the uv sterilizer and I’m hoping that will get rid of it all how long do you think it’ll take for it all to go away

I’d say upwards of 3 weeks.

 

[Dburr1014]

Disappearing at night does not distinguish if dino as diatoms and cyano, all photosynthetic will disappear at night. Focus on the cells and not raising nutrients at this time as automatically we assume this is the cause but by the time you see zero numbers, its because the dino has consumed the po4 and no3 and are multiplying and in turn many dose no3 and po4 to bring numbers up not realizing they are feeding these flagellates even more.

Disagree
Many people get dinos because of zero nutrients. Many clear up dinos by raising nutrients.
Because of the bubbles and no mat, I'm leaning to dinos. If it does clear at night, more reason to get a uv light. You only need to run it at night op.

I use rodi water for my top off and I haven’t read parameters lately but nitrates always stay around 6 and alk is always at 9.0 ppm after a water change so it’s around there

You definitely need to test nutrients. "Around there" is not knowing at all. You may be surprised. What test kits? That may play a roll also.

As for lights out and anemone, its bad timing. Anemone needs light as it will shrivel up in the dark

A three day blackout will still be okay for the nem if it's healthy.

I took one big rock out completely and I took a small one out and peroxide dipped the whole thing and killed all the algae and put it back in later on and it’s all good man I’ve been dealing with these algae problems for almost a. Year

You dipped the whole rock in peroxide? Next time a squirt bottle will do.
Depending on how long it was soaking, bacteria lies deep in the rock, it may be okay.

Number one is siphoning them out using water changes,

The first rule with dinos, NO water changes. Build up nutrients for competition.

number two is using the UV sterilizer,

Agreed if going to water column.

number 3 is adding some bacteria like micro bacter 7,

Agreed

and number 4 which is pretty unheard of is adding in silicates to induce a diatom bloom.

Depending on the type of dinos. Each has it's own set of rules.

If it doesn’t, the UV sterilizer won’t work properly.

Correct.

Okay I’ll do the siphoning with water changes and dosing microbacter 7 and stay consistent with that and also add the uv sterilizer and I’m hoping that will get rid of it all how long do you think it’ll take for it all to go away

Not over night. It could take weeks to months. You have to stay on top of it consistently.

 

[AAAReefing]

Disagree
Many people get dinos because of zero nutrients. Many clear up dinos by raising nutrients.
Because of the bubbles and no mat, I'm leaning to dinos. If it does clear at night, more reason to get a uv light. You only need to run it at night op.

You definitely need to test nutrients. "Around there" is not knowing at all. You may be surprised. What test kits? That may play a roll also.

A three day blackout will still be okay for the nem if it's healthy.

You dipped the whole rock in peroxide? Next time a squirt bottle will do.
Depending on how long it was soaking, bacteria lies deep in the rock, it may be okay.

The first rule with dinos, NO water changes. Build up nutrients for competition.

Agreed if going to water column.

Agreed

Depending on the type of dinos. Each has it's own set of rules.

Correct.

Not over night. It could take weeks to months. You have to stay on top of it consistently.

Would doing water changes to manually remove them and dosing nutrients after water changes help? I always heard that it's best to manually remove as many as you can.

 

[Dburr1014]

Would doing water changes to manually remove them and dosing nutrients after water changes help? I always heard that it's best to manually remove as many as you can.

I would use a turkey baster and remove minimum amount of water. Some use a filter on a pump so the water goes back in.

 

[Bcook1016]

That’s what it looked like at “nighttime” which was this morning okay so here’s the plan keep feeding, more? Everyday and no water changes and siphon out the Dino’s daily and spray with turkey baster and dose microbacter 7 and run the uv? And what do I do with the water that gets taken out with the siphon?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Would doing water changes to manually remove them and dosing nutrients after water changes help? I always heard that it's best to manually remove as many as you can.

It will reduce but not remove completely

 

[vetteguy53081]

Disagree
Many people get dinos because of zero nutrients. Many clear up dinos by raising nutrients.
Because of the bubbles and no mat, I'm leaning to dinos. If it does clear at night, more reason to get a uv light. You only need to run it at night op.

You definitely need to test nutrients. "Around there" is not knowing at all. You may be surprised. What test kits? That may play a roll also.

A three day blackout will still be okay for the nem if it's healthy.

You dipped the whole rock in peroxide? Next time a squirt bottle will do.
Depending on how long it was soaking, bacteria lies deep in the rock, it may be okay.

The first rule with dinos, NO water changes. Build up nutrients for competition.

Agreed if going to water column.

Agreed

Depending on the type of dinos. Each has it's own set of rules.

Correct.

Not over night. It could take weeks to months. You have to stay on top of it consistently.

And why is it they got to zero? They have been consumed and feeding the cells. I attended a long seminar where din was discussed by SanJay and his videos made this clear and then also made sense

 

[AAAReefing]

That’s what it looked like at “nighttime” which was this morning okay so here’s the plan keep feeding, more? Everyday and no water changes and siphon out the Dino’s daily and spray with turkey baster and dose microbacter 7 and run the uv? And what do I do with the water that gets taken out with the siphon?

Unfortunately the UV sterilizer won't work if they arent coming up and off of the sandbed at night. The greenish tint to it kinda make it look like an algae of some kind, I'm second guessing if it's dinos. If it is dinos, you have the type that doesn't free float, which is a bit tougher than the free floating ones. Could you take a close pic of them in full white light by chance?

 

[leighton.bingham]

Dino's for sure. All the blackouts, chemicals, and everything else didn't work on mine i battled it for over a year and it destroyed everything in my tank minus one clown. Best way to go about it is to identify what type of Dino's it is then find that fix. Mine was dosing silicates.

 

[AAAReefing]

Dino's for sure. All the blackouts, chemicals, and everything else didn't work on mine i battled it for over a year and it destroyed everything in my tank minus one clown. Best way to go about it is to identify what type of Dino's it is then find that fix. Mine was dosing silicates.

Silicates as in the intentional diatoms right?

 

[Bcook1016]

Dino's for sure. All the blackouts, chemicals, and everything else didn't work on mine i battled it for over a year and it destroyed everything in my tank minus one clown. Best way to go about it is to identify what type of Dino's it is then find that fix. Mine was dosing silicates.

How can I get someone to identify it cause I’m not trying to let it kill everything

 

[Bcook1016]

Silicates as in the intentional diatoms right?

What are silicates

 

[Bcook1016]

I’m pretty sure they are amphidinium dinoflagellates I just looked it up and it looks exactly what I’ve been dealing with so I’m just guessing my tank definetly needs dosed some beneficial bacteria from now on

 

[AAAReefing]

What are silicates

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dosing-silicate.912066/Mineral that is usually found during new tank setups which causes diatoms, but in this case you'd wanna dose them to induce diatoms which well compete with the dinos. You can either buy Sodium Silicate or SpongExcel, both of which are the same thing. I'm not familiar with dosing.

 

[Dburr1014]

How can I get someone to identify it cause I’m not trying to let it kill everything

Get a microscope and snap video or at least a couple pics.
Even a child's set of you can get the phone to get a pic will work.
@taricha is really good at identifying.

And why is it they got to zero? They have been consumed and feeding the cells. I attended a long seminar where din was discussed by SanJay and his videos made this clear and then also made sense

Many, many reasons why they could have gone to zero.

Dinos are really good at living with zero nutrients. There's no competition that can live in zero.
Maybe cyano is only what comes to my mind.

 

[Dburr1014]

I just remembered,
You can take a sample and shake with water to break it up. Come back in a few minutes and see if the slime reformed Dinos.

I'll look for a thread. I'll be back.

I.D. guide In the meantime.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dinoflagellate-identification-guide.671466/
1st Post, coffee filtering.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/a-dinoflagellate-treatment-guide.884961/

 

[Bcook1016]

I’ll take a sample before I shake it ik and after when I get home but I sent taricha a text hopefully he can fully identify it but I’m hoping that I can really get rid of this for good

 

[leighton.bingham]

What are silicates

Amazon product ASIN B008FMD4QM
that is what I used to get rid of my Dino's

 

[Bcook1016]

I just remembered,
You can take a sample and shake with water to break it up. Come back in a few minutes and see if the slime reformed Dinos.

I'll look for a thread. I'll be back.

I.D. guide In the meantime.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dinoflagellate-identification-guide.671466/
1st Post, coffee filtering.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/a-dinoflagellate-treatment-guide.884961/

How can I take a sample and see it under a microscope?