Emergency! Help With Dying Frogspawn!

[MossyFroggyLove]

Hi, I bought a frogspawn on Monday and ever since my lfs packaged it, it has been looking sad. I thought it'll get back to normal but only getting worse. Now it is horrible. Can it be saved?

Can it be saved? Please help!

 

[Matt Bravo]

Hey, please share more about your system (Parms and lighting) as well how the coral looked at your lfs

 

[MossyFroggyLove]

Coral was looking ok at the lfs. I accidentally gave it to less flow, so my lfs say I should give it more. So thats what I did. Lighting, IDK the model, brand is spectra, about 180 to 220 par where it is now. Flow is medium to high, at its current placement. I dont really do water tests (I know thats bad),my xenia, gsp, amber sea fan, feather duster worm, zoas and mushrooms are doing fine.

Edit: my zoas are doing amazing.

 

[Matt Bravo]

you could definitely get away without testing a softie tank, but you do have to start testing alkalinity calcium and magnesium once you move onto corals with skeletons. Corals are more than capable of some insane comebacks, but you gotta get your parms straightened out. Do you have numbers for phosphate and nitrate by chance?

 

[MossyFroggyLove]

Do you have numbers for phosphate and nitrate by chance?

Those are the two things that I ever test and they are out of the charts and I cant do any thing about it. Anyway po4 is 0.5 and nitrate is 50. I think I tested the nitrate right, and I'm using salifert. So, unless I'm colour blind thats the real readings. Been like this for few months and everything doing great.

 

[Matt Bravo]

That’s high for sure, people have had success in that range it’s not unheard of but that along with other reasons could’ve shocked the coral and put it in this state. You should probably 1) test the other parms previously mentioned asap 2)drop nitrates and phosphates to around 20 and at least under .1 and 3) keep it on the lower side of flow and give it time to heal. If you make any drastic changes in these next few days you definitely will lose it though, whatever you decide to do, go SLOW

 

[MossyFroggyLove]

That’s high for sure, people have had success in that range it’s not unheard of but that along with other reasons could’ve shocked the coral and put it in this state. You should probably 1) test the other parms previously mentioned asap 2)drop nitrates and phosphates to around 20 and at least under .1 and 3) keep it on the lower side of flow and give it time to heal. If you make any drastic changes in these next few days you definitely will lose it though, whatever you decide to do, go SLOW

I tried to drop my nitrates and phosphates but impossible, last time nitrates were 75-80, now 50. Last time phosphates were 1, now 0.5. I will move it to lower side flow. Should I still give it high light or low light? Will amino acid help? If yes, jow often should I give it? I dont really have test kits of my own, so I will do it at my lfs.

 

[MossyFroggyLove]

It is also started producing a lot of brown jelly yesterday morning. And today tiny bits of its flesh is coming apart

 

[bluemon]

It is also started producing a lot of brown jelly yesterday morning. And today tiny bits of its flesh is coming apart

It’s Brown Jelly Disease. Can happen with all Euphyllias when its health is compromised.

An antibiotics dip can help if you can source the right ingredients.

Did you try doing a water change if your nitrates were so high?

 

[MossyFroggyLove]

It’s Brown Jelly Disease. Can happen with all Euphyllias when its health is compromised.

An antibiotics dip can help if you can source the right ingredients.

Did you try doing a water change if your nitrates were so high?

I am not capable of doing water changes. After moving it to low flow, looks worse. What are the ingredients for antibiotic dip?

 

[bluemon]

I am not capable of doing water changes. After moving it to low flow, looks worse. What are the ingredients for antibiotic dip?

You can look them up. I think kung fu coral has a recipe.

Why can’t you do water changes? Honestly, and I mean no offense: if you are unable to do water changes, stony corals might not be it for you, especially as a beginner.

The antibiotic dip will be definitely tough to acquire ingredients for especially if you are in a position where you can’t do water changes.

Edit: how have you been managing to lower nitrates? It says you lowered it from 80 to 50?

 

[MossyFroggyLove]

You can look them up. I think kung fu coral has a recipe.

Why can’t you do water changes? Honestly, and I mean no offense: if you are unable to do water changes, stony corals might not be it for you, especially as a beginner.

The antibiotic dip will be definitely tough to acquire ingredients for especially if you are in a position where you can’t do water changes.

Dont have the space or enough salt to replace the water

 

[bluemon]

Dont have the space or enough salt to replace the water

Can you get some salt to make more water? How have you been lowering nitrates all this time?

 

[Matt Bravo]

You can look them up. I think kung fu coral has a recipe.

Why can’t you do water changes? Honestly, and I mean no offense: if you are unable to do water changes, stony corals might not be it for you, especially as a beginner.

The antibiotic dip will be definitely tough to acquire ingredients for especially if you are in a position where you can’t do water changes.

Kfc does have a dip that people have been successful with, but the dip itself is really just a concoction of multiple different treatments mixed in one, you can make it yourself as long as you’re precise. If possible you should try to get your hands on it as bluemon suggested

 

[MossyFroggyLove]

Can you get some salt to make more water? How have you been lowering nitrates all this time?

Macroalgae.

 

[bluemon]

Also what kind of sand are you using? Looks to me like it’s silica sand (playground sand) instead of the aragonite based ones. Could be wrong as I’m just working off the photo, but that isn’t ideal

 

[Matt Bravo]

I tried to drop my nitrates and phosphates but impossible, last time nitrates were 75-80, now 50. Last time phosphates were 1, now 0.5. I will move it to lower side flow. Should I still give it high light or low light? Will amino acid help? If yes, jow often should I give it? I dont really have test kits of my own, so I will do it at my lfs.

You can use products like chemipure for phosphates, (this will drop them incredibly fast, so do so slowly) seeing previous comments you should leave it on the lower side of both and stop moving it, you will just make the situation worse

 

[bluemon]

Macroalgae.

Just macroalgae can only do so much, do you have a skimmer? You really need to dial down your nitrates if you want to keep stony corals. 80 is way too high. Even at the highest, I would say 20-40, and that’s only if your alkalinity is high enough.

 

[MossyFroggyLove]

The sand is normal non toxic sand meant for aquariums. I dont have a skimmer nor a sump. Nitrate is 50 currently. I cant get my hands on antibiotic dip. I can get iodine though. Will that help?

 

[bluemon]

The sand is normal non toxic sand meant for aquariums. I dont have a skimmer nor a sump. Nitrate is 50 currently. I cant get my hands on antibiotic dip. I can get iodine though. Will that help?

No.

For the sand, do you have the package it came in? Normal doesn’t really tell us much.. is it shiny or matte?