Emperor angelfish with lymphocystis

[Poseidon Black Sea]

Hello i have had this Emperor angelfish for some time now, it always had a few worts but after the copper treatment about one month ago (he also had ich) they were okays, in the last week they came back with a vengeance, now i know there is no known cure to this, but what can i do to the fish to help him a bit, maybe a formol/ peroxide / freshwater dip idk anything to help him out. I have started to give him enriched foods with lipovit/lipogarlic but he s refusing to eat.

 

[Poseidon Black Sea]

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[Poseidon Black Sea]

I think there is a beginning of fin rot also

 

[vetteguy53081]

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This is not lympho while they are probe to it, this on the body are indicators of flukes and tank should be treated with praziPro at 85% of recommended

 

[Jay Hemdal]

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I agree - that isn't Lymphocystis. Most likely it is flukes, probably Neobendenia. Here is a post about using Praziquantel to treat that:

Dosing Praziquantel (PZQ)

Using Praziquantel (PZQ) to treat flukes Overview In the early 1990’s, a researcher at the New York Aquarium published a paper on using Praziquantel (PZQ) to help control flukes, a parasitic flatworm. Also known as monogenean trematodes, these fish parasites can cause significant mortality in...

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Another option would be hyposalinity at 1.012 for 30 days;

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2024 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

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I prefer hypo because it also treats ich and is a more sure-fire treatment. However, hypo cannot be done in a tank with invertebrates in it.

 

[Poseidon Black Sea]

I did a 5 minutes freshwater dip to see if they were flukes. No flukes present . What else could it be. They fell off today but yesterday he had around his mouth those warts like things like tubes idk

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I did a 5 minutes freshwater dip to see if they were flukes. No flukes present . What else could it be. They fell off today but yesterday he had around his mouth those warts like things like tubes idk

Only one species of fluke can be seen in dips without a microscope (Neobenedenia). However, these photos also show some secondary bacterial infection on this fish's mouth and tail. That can be from handling issues, or damage from flukes. That requires treatment with a broad spectrum, gram negative antibiotic. I like to use Neomycin, but some people use Kanamycin.

 

[Poseidon Black Sea]

Only one species of fluke can be seen in dips without a microscope (Neobenedenia). However, these photos also show some secondary bacterial infection on this fish's mouth and tail. That can be from handling issues, or damage from flukes. That requires treatment with a broad spectrum, gram negative antibiotic. I like to use Neomycin, but some people use Kanamycin.

Can you recommend a medicine that i can find in Romania? and what exactly can i do with it. for the context he is in a holding tank alone no inverts no nothing just him live rock a skimmer and a small filter

 

[vetteguy53081]

I agree - that isn't Lymphocystis. Most likely it is flukes, probably Neobendenia. Here is a post about using Praziquantel to treat that:

Dosing Praziquantel (PZQ)

Using Praziquantel (PZQ) to treat flukes Overview In the early 1990’s, a researcher at the New York Aquarium published a paper on using Praziquantel (PZQ) to help control flukes, a parasitic flatworm. Also known as monogenean trematodes, these fish parasites can cause significant mortality in...

www.reef2reef.com

Another option would be hyposalinity at 1.012 for 30 days;

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2024 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

www.reef2reef.com

I prefer hypo because it also treats ich and is a more sure-fire treatment. However, hypo cannot be done in a tank with invertebrates in it.

This is a chance and often will not reveal most flukes . Prazi can be in tank with coral and inverts

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Can you recommend a medicine that i can find in Romania? and what exactly can i do with it. for the context he is in a holding tank alone no inverts no nothing just him live rock a skimmer and a small filter

Sorry, I'm in the US and I don't know what might be available to you in Romania. Most true antibiotics for aquarium fish are restricted in the EU. eSHA2000 might work, but it is more of an antiseptic. Furanol plus in another option.

 

[Poseidon Black Sea]

Sorry, I'm in the US and I don't know what might be available to you in Romania. Most true antibiotics for aquarium fish are restricted in the EU. eSHA2000 might work, but it is more of an antiseptic. Furanol plus in another option.

i have nitrafurazone, and i can buy metroplex. Will they be any good in our case?

 

[Poseidon Black Sea]

This is a chance and often will not reveal most flukes . Prazi can be in tank with coral and inverts

I don t have access to prazi, i have access to Tremazol. But are you positive it is flukes and not smthing else? Also can i treat Tremazol directly in the tank, as i said it s just this fish in it, and some filtration .

 

[Jay Hemdal]

i have nitrafurazone, and i can buy metroplex. Will they be any good in our case?

Nitrofurazone is the better choice for you I think.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I don t have access to prazi, i have access to Tremazol. But are you positive it is flukes and not smthing else? Also can i treat Tremazol directly in the tank, as i said it s just this fish in it, and some filtration .

Tremazole Not reef safe and too should be dosed at 85% or 2.4ml per liter max in a separate tank with air stone added. FlukeSolve should also be available and work

 

[Poseidon Black Sea]

Found him today like this. Yesterday he was looking better and eating. What could’ve done this :((

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Found him today like this. Yesterday he was looking better and eating. What could’ve done this :((

Sorry to see.

Those lesions are either from mechanical damage or from a virulent bacterial infection. Vibrio bacteria often cause this, but there should have been some discoloration yesterday...the bacteria eats the flesh quickly, but not in 12 hours.

 

[Poseidon Black Sea]

Sorry to see.

Those lesions are either from mechanical damage or from a virulent bacterial infection. Vibrio bacteria often cause this, but there should have been some discoloration yesterday...the bacteria eats the flesh quickly, but not in 12 hours.

And where did this bacteria come from, is like a parasite that came with the fish or just something that can just appear

 

[Jay Hemdal]

And where did this bacteria come from, is like a parasite that came with the fish or just something that can just appear

Vibrio is a group of bacteria normally found in seawater aquariums. When a fish has damaged skin, they can colonize the wound and the consume the fish’s tissue if the fish has low resistance. Previous disease like flukes is a common initial cause for this.

 

[xzt]

I believe this is a severe bacterial infection, and currently, controlling the bacterial infection takes priority over addressing parasites. Extensive skin damage can impose an additional osmoregulatory burden, so you may need stronger antibiotics. However, I would not choose nitrofuran-based antibiotics to treat diseases in marine fish. Through multiple experiments, I've found that nitrofuran baths are ineffective against vibriosis in my region. Moreover, after adding nitrofuran-based medications, the number of Vibrio bacteria in the water actually increases. For mild infections, I might opt for medications like florfenicol or enrofloxacin and increase the frequency of water changes. I'm not sure what medications are available in your area, but for such a severe infection, I would choose intramuscular antibiotic injections.