Flame Angle Odd Behavior

[G&B Reefing]

Hi

I have a flame angel in QT for a few days. Today i noticed a behavior shift and it has me concerned.

Fish ate well and was active for the first 4 days. Coppersafe was treated by ramping up to required level over 3 days.

I noticed modified behavior today, changed out roughly 70% of water. Copper was not added to that water change, aka i diluted in case this is a copper reaction.

Fish is vertical, is aware of my presence, but appears very stressed. Has not eaten all day. See video below.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hi

I have a flame angel in QT for a few days. Today i noticed a behavior shift and it has me concerned.

Fish ate well and was active for the first 4 days. Coppersafe was treated by ramping up to required level over 3 days.

I noticed modified behavior today, changed out roughly 70% of water. Copper was not added to that water change, aka i diluted in case this is a copper reaction.

Fish is vertical, is aware of my presence, but appears very stressed. Has not eaten all day. See video below.

I dont see any unusual swim behavior or abnormalities and you dont want to ramp copper but get to treatment level right away as ramping will allow a disease to take hold of a fish. How are you testing copper and is it cupramine or coppersafe?

 

[G&B Reefing]

 

[G&B Reefing]

Coppersafe

Seachem test

 

[W31Olds]

How is he breathing and he looks like he might be thin?

 

[G&B Reefing]

Everything has gone down hill since the first post… technically still breathing. Agree it is thin but it was eating aggressively for the last 4 days. Today was an abrupt change.

 

[G&B Reefing]

 

[W31Olds]

Flames are notorious for being collected using Cyanide. Since you changed water, I would double check salinity/ temp. just in case. When a fish goes downhill this fast it can be lack of oxygen, but I see you have an airstone. It could also be that he was too thin which can cause liver damage.

 

[G&B Reefing]

There appears to be some kind of injury at the base of the tail. Will try to get a picture of it…

 

[G&B Reefing]

 

[G&B Reefing]

@vetteguy53081 @W31Olds @Jay Hemdal

There are no other fish in this QT. Thoughts on the above pics?

 

[vetteguy53081]

This is Bacterial

and will need to be treated with Seachem Kanaplex within same tank and with Air stone added

 

[G&B Reefing]

I have neoplex, will that do anything for this?

 

[vetteguy53081]

This is a whole different video and fish is highly distressed, Behavior and history seen may coincide with method of capture

 

[G&B Reefing]

I added neoplex… hope it helps…

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I added neoplex… hope it helps…

Sorry - coming into this late. Flames tolerate coppersafe well. Something else is going on internally with this fish. Once I saw the caudal lesion in the last picture, I could back and and see it developing in the earlier pictures.
This could be uronema. The angelfish is also a bit thin.

Due to the rapid onset of symptoms, I don't think there is anything you will be able to do for it, sorry.

 

[winxp_man]

Your fish has uronema from what you’re describing as what is happening. Sadly nothing can be done. Have lost 4 flames two/three months ago. All ended up developing the lacerations your fish has. Did a scrape and sure enough the wretched disease! My most recent one is doing fined had it for two weeks eating well and nothing out of norm.

I’m finding that the LFS that I got them from just had about every disease know to the marine fish world. And coupled with stress uronema finds its way to the fish real quick. The fish also are doing through crazy stress just to make it to a LFS. Most shops do not dose anything for uronema to clear out their tanks, and not much they can be done once it’s in their system.

My new method is to get fish picked up before they get dumped into the LFS tank. I have had good success with that.

Side note 4 months ago lost two golden angels to uronema.

Here is a pic from the last flame that passed from the 4 I mentioned. Hundreds within a single tip of a knife scrape. A smidge of ruby killed them. But that amount of ruby would kill the fish to if dosed in QT tank or even a Dip tank.

These two looked like they were going at it while under the microscope haha. So disgusted of these diseases but part of the trade.

 

[winxp_man]

Sorry - coming into this late. Flames tolerate coppersafe well. Something else is going on internally with this fish. Once I saw the caudal lesion in the last picture, I could back and and see it developing in the earlier pictures.
This could be uronema. The angelfish is also a bit thin.

Due to the rapid onset of symptoms, I don't think there is anything you will be able to do for it, sorry.

Agreed sadly this little guy is a goner one you see the lesions. I would personally clove fish once I see the lesions start.