Hawaii Fish Ban Update

[MauiAnglerReef]

I’m pretty sure the ban got lifted but is effectively still in place because a couple of native Hawaiian and local groups are pushing back against the ban being lifted. That’s what I’ve heard, not 100% sure.

A google search backs this up, still not sure why permits are not being handed out. apparently it’s been lifted since last year. And as someone stated earlier, unfortunately the fish list has been cut from 40 to 8 species. That’s all I know right now, here’s to hoping they hand out permits!

 

[vetteguy53081]

I’m pretty sure the ban got lifted but is effectively still in place because a couple of native Hawaiian and local groups are pushing back against the ban being lifted. That’s what I’ve heard, not 100% sure.

Youre pretty much on track - Call it hiccups but a pain in our hobby

 

[MauiAnglerReef]

I’m pretty sure the ban got lifted but is effectively still in place because a couple of native Hawaiian and local groups are pushing back against the ban being lifted. That’s what I’ve heard, not 100% sure.

Youre pretty much on track - Call it hiccups but a pain in our hobby

Studies show that the fish population was actually increasing when collection was allowed- there was no reason to ban the practice in the first place. Truly baffling.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Studies show that the fish population was actually increasing when collection was allowed- there was no reason to ban the practice in the first place. Truly baffling.

Agree and when I went to Hawaii at Capt Cooks, I was shocked to see the extreme number of yellow tangs in the little area we were in and was told there was an abundance of fish on all sides of island

 

[winxp_man]

As with anything involving government , always a slow moving train
In 15 weeks it’s another whole new year

Correctly said sir! And I keep forgetting this is Hawaii! What I know for example from friends that live there, everything is a million years out, including building permits. They work a couple days a week, then on to the beach they go. Haha!

They really are in chill mode at all times.

 

[JayM]

Youre pretty much on track - Call it hiccups but a pain in our hobby

Correctly said sir! And I keep forgetting this is Hawaii! What I know for example from friends that live there, everything is a million years out, including building permits. They work a couple days a week, then on to the beach they go. Haha!

They really are in chill mode at all times.

If it was the people of Hawai’i, I’d agree. Maybe a hiccup, maybe chill mode.

But it’s government and environmental extremists. I strongly believe it’s intentional sandbagging.

At this rate we’ll be in another decade before permits are issued.

 

[areefer01]

At this rate we’ll be in another decade before permits are issued.

On the other hand the hobby continues.... /shrug

 

[cdemoss01]

On the other hand the hobby continues.... /shrug

And the hobby will continue. No matter what

 

[MauiAnglerReef]

At least us Hawaii residents get to catch fish for our own tanks. Still a bummer for all the local businesses that relied on commercial aquarium collection. If I ever upgrade to a 200g, I’ll try to catch some fat yellow tangs.

 

[winxp_man]

At least us Hawaii residents get to catch fish for our own tanks. Still a bummer for all the local businesses that relied on commercial aquarium collection. If I ever upgrade to a 200g, I’ll try to catch some fat yellow tangs.

Might come out and get a property just to have a tank filled with fat yellow tangs! Haha.

 

[winxp_man]

If it was the people of Hawai’i, I’d agree. Maybe a hiccup, maybe chill mode.

But it’s government and environmental extremists. I strongly believe it’s intentional sandbagging.

At this rate we’ll be in another decade before permits are issued.

What I meant is the whole island is on chill mode. From people to gov… haha.

I was close to moving there to run a construction business. But my buddy gave me the 411 in regard to how the islands run out there with permits.

 

[twentyleagues]

With how long this has been going on and the prices people are willing to pay for the tank bred yellow tangs the wild caught are not going to be any cheaper. We've spent what 10 years paying $200+ for tank bred. Everyone sees this, those that catch the fish and those that supply those fish and the lfs. The days of $20 yellow tangs are gone. Welcome to the days of $200 wild caught yellow tangs, maybe at some point.

 

[vetteguy53081]

With how long this has been going on and the prices people are willing to pay for the tank bred yellow tangs the wild caught are not going to be any cheaper. We've spent what 10 years paying $200+ for tank bred. Everyone sees this, those that catch the fish and those that supply those fish and the lfs. The days of $20 yellow tangs are gone. Welcome to the days of $200 wild caught yellow tangs, maybe at some point.

This we know and has been discussed and as stated , it’s not the residents or collectors but rather the activists and so called concerned groups and organizations who are clueless about collecting but rather ruffle feathers in the industry and cause collectors and hobbyists to suffer from senseless protest and arguments

 

[hatfielj]

Correctly said sir! And I keep forgetting this is Hawaii! What I know for example from friends that live there, everything is a million years out, including building permits. They work a couple days a week, then on to the beach they go. Haha!

They really are in chill mode at all times.

I've been told by many in Hawaii that "Aloha Friday" is a very real thing. People just don't show up to work and instead go surfing. Can't blame them. I'd do the same.

 

[hatfielj]

With how long this has been going on and the prices people are willing to pay for the tank bred yellow tangs the wild caught are not going to be any cheaper. We've spent what 10 years paying $200+ for tank bred. Everyone sees this, those that catch the fish and those that supply those fish and the lfs. The days of $20 yellow tangs are gone. Welcome to the days of $200 wild caught yellow tangs, maybe at some point.

I don't think they will ever be $20 again (or even free...I remember getting yellow tangs for free with the purchase of another fish, lol). Inflation and all the other craziness going on in the world has raised prices on everything. BUT, I don't think they'll be the same price as tank bred either. I think we'll see prices more in step with where other common tangs are...$60-$100 would be my prediction. Might not happen right away, but once we see a reliable supply of lots of fish, it will happen.

 

[areefer01]

With how long this has been going on and the prices people are willing to pay for the tank bred yellow tangs the wild caught are not going to be any cheaper. We've spent what 10 years paying $200+ for tank bred. Everyone sees this, those that catch the fish and those that supply those fish and the lfs. The days of $20 yellow tangs are gone. Welcome to the days of $200 wild caught yellow tangs, maybe at some point.

Lamenting about the past isn't going to change the price.

 

[twentyleagues]

Lamenting about the past isn't going to change the price.

I'm not sure that is the correct terminology for what my post was saying.

This we know and has been discussed and as stated , it’s not the residents or collectors but rather the activists and so called concerned groups and organizations who are clueless about collecting but rather ruffle feathers in the industry and cause collectors and hobbyists to suffer from senseless protest and arguments

Yes I know its not the residents or collectors holding things up, thats not what I said. My comment was on the collectors seeing what captive bred are costing and taking advantage of the fact we will pay top $ when they can collect. You dont think the collectors , supply chain and lfs will take advantage of the typical $200 yt?

I don't think they will ever be $20 again (or even free...I remember getting yellow tangs for free with the purchase of another fish, lol). Inflation and all the other craziness going on in the world has raised prices on everything. BUT, I don't think they'll be the same price as tank bred either. I think we'll see prices more in step with where other common tangs are...$60-$100 would be my prediction. Might not happen right away, but once we see a reliable supply of lots of fish, it will happen.

No decidedly not for many reasons. Hopefully once they are supplying at a consistent rate we will see better pricing. I do believe "they" collectors, suppliers and lfs will tack on a large "luxury" tax at least to begin based on the current market.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I'm not sure that is the correct terminology for what my post was saying.

Yes I know its not the residents or collectors holding things up, thats not what I said. My comment was on the collectors seeing what captive bred are costing and taking advantage of the fact we will pay top $ when they can collect. You dont think the collectors , supply chain and lfs will take advantage of the typical $200 yt?

No decidedly not for many reasons. Hopefully once they are supplying at a consistent rate we will see better pricing. I do believe "they" collectors, suppliers and lfs will tack on a large "luxury" tax at least to begin based on the current market.

Not disagreeing and do agree this is an opportunity to escalate prices and keep them stable

 

[Biokabe]

I'm not sure that is the correct terminology for what my post was saying.

Yes I know its not the residents or collectors holding things up, thats not what I said. My comment was on the collectors seeing what captive bred are costing and taking advantage of the fact we will pay top $ when they can collect. You dont think the collectors , supply chain and lfs will take advantage of the typical $200 yt?

No decidedly not for many reasons. Hopefully once they are supplying at a consistent rate we will see better pricing. I do believe "they" collectors, suppliers and lfs will tack on a large "luxury" tax at least to begin based on the current market.

Depends on how many permits are issued and how easy it is for competitors to get in on supplying yellow tangs to other markets.

If permits are only handed out to a few organizations and the supply chain is limited to just a handful of entities, then prices will likely remain high. If (almost) anyone who wants one can get a permit, then eventually someone is going to decide to undercut everyone else to get more sales, and prices will fall.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Depends on how many permits are issued and how easy it is for competitors to get in on supplying yellow tangs to other markets.

If permits are only handed out to a few organizations and the supply chain is limited to just a handful of entities, then prices will likely remain high. If (almost) anyone who wants one can get a permit, then eventually someone is going to decide to undercut everyone else to get more sales, and prices will fall.

This will be the likely case as it is proposed to be a limited number of permits issued