HELP major losses in my quarantine system

[sm2630]

One of the conspicuous angels and the blue spot were in the quarantine system together because they were both compromised. That conspicuous died, which I believe compromised this blue spot with whatever bacterial issue it was. There is a surviving conspicuous in a separate system right now. He is also compromised with these lymphocyte- like growths. This all started from the stress of adding a second conspicuous. I no, very well now, that was a mistake. I talked with Poma labs about it greatly, and he said it shouldn't be an issue, and it absolutely turned into one quickly, although there was no physical aggression after about A week together, my established one started chasing pretty relentlessly. I separated them immediately, but the stress of that event did cause lymphocyte to start growing on him, eventually leading to open wounds/death. The other conspicuous also, unfortunately, grew these cauliflower like growths from that event, even though separated. everywhere you see a red lesion or sore, it started off as a cauliflower growth. I've tried just about every medication I can think of. After major water changes, he's been dosed with the first round of Cipro this morning, as Cannaplex did not work. His breathing is definitely elevated, but I have never in 20 years of keeping fish seen anything like this. I've seen some fish become very cosmetically unappealing from lympho, but never compromised
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[sm2630]

I also shared these images with poma and my concerns with the extreme degradation of these fish, and he had no idea or any input really, just I've never seen it before. Sorry. That's what I got for $5000

he already went through a full round of Canaplex, the maximum three treatments separated by a few days as instructed on the bottle. I then did A carbon pool and a sterile water change and did two more doses. It was completely useless. when that didn't work, I partnered with a local store that had a centrifuge. He took a look at some slides, couldn't find protozoans, and gave me prescription Cipro. I did the first dose of that earlier today. I mean, if that doesn't work, the only play left is formalin which obviously would be extremely painful with his open sores

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

One of the conspicuous angels and the blue spot were in the quarantine system together because they were both compromised. That conspicuous died, which I believe compromised this blue spot with whatever bacterial issue it was. There is a surviving conspicuous in a separate system right now. He is also compromised with these lymphocyte- like growths. This all started from the stress of adding a second conspicuous. I no, very well now, that was a mistake. I talked with Poma labs about it greatly, and he said it shouldn't be an issue, and it absolutely turned into one quickly, although there was no physical aggression after about A week together, my established one started chasing pretty relentlessly. I separated them immediately, but the stress of that event did cause lymphocyte to start growing on him, eventually leading to open wounds/death. The other conspicuous also, unfortunately, grew these cauliflower like growths from that event, even though separated. everywhere you see a red lesion or sore, it started off as a cauliflower growth. I've tried just about every medication I can think of. After major water changes, he's been dosed with the first round of Cipro this morning, as Cannaplex did not work. His breathing is definitely elevated, but I have never in 20 years of keeping fish seen anything like this. I've seen some fish become very cosmetically unappealing from lympho, but never compromised
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Overall, I'd say that Cipro is a better choice than Kanamycin for general marine fish gram negative bacterial diseases - it's just that Cipro isn't readily available, so we often opt for suggesting Kanamycin or Neomycin (never use the latter with copper, as there is possibly some toxic reaction there).

 

[sm2630]

One of the conspicuous angels and the blue spot were in the quarantine system together because they were both compromised. That conspicuous died, which I believe compromised this blue spot with whatever bacterial issue it was. There is a surviving conspicuous in a separate system right now. He is also compromised with these lymphocyte- like growths. This all started from the stress of adding a second conspicuous. I no, very well now, that was a mistake. I talked with Poma labs about it greatly, and he said it shouldn't be an issue, and it absolutely turned into one quickly, although there was no physical aggression after about A week together, my established one started chasing pretty relentlessly. I separated them immediately, but the stress of that event did cause lymphocyte to start growing on him, eventually leading to open wounds/death. The other conspicuous also, unfortunately, grew these cauliflower like growths from that event, even though separated. everywhere you see a red lesion or sore, it started off as a cauliflower growth. I've tried just about every medication I can think of. After major water changes, he's been dosed with the first round of Cipro this morning, as Cannaplex did not work. His breathing is definitely elevated, but I have never in 20 years of keeping fish seen anything like this. I've seen some fish become very cosmetically unappealing from lympho, but never compromised
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current condition, along with elevated breathing, very rapid. Acknowledged food, but did not eat overall. I'm not hopeful. This has been probably the worst week I've ever had in 20 years of being in this hobby. if it was not for the wounds, I would try a formalin dip, but that just sounds like it's gonna spiral with the wounds. It doesn't seem beneficial to him, cipro copper, small amount of methylene blue, and heavy aeration at the moment

 

[sm2630]

luckily, I do have a vet that is willing to consult with me on fish local. She just told me she'll be sending me a Cipro prescription

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

luckily, I do have a vet that is willing to consult with me on fish local. She just told me she'll be sending me a Cipro prescription

FWIW: Here is my article on Lymphocystis, in case you haven't seen it:

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/lymphocystis-cauliflower-disease.1121/

 

[sm2630]

luckily, I do have a vet that is willing to consult with me on fish local. She just told me she'll be sending me a Cipro prescription

FWIW: Here is my article on Lymphocystis, in case you haven't seen it:

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/lymphocystis-cauliflower-disease.1121/

I have considered formalin, but again, with the severity of his wounds, I feel like that's definitely gonna hurt more than it helps

 

[W31Olds]

This pic is much better than the first one and does look like Lympho. What threw me off is the nodules on the Body which is rare, however since they were obviously fighting there were probably some small wounds that provided a foothold. Vette is correct, clean water will help. Is he still eating?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Better pic and may very well be lymphocystis which they are susceptible to and is viral, not parasitic and will go away on its own. Lympho is a condition and not disease which is viral. Often its associated with water quality issue as simple as elevated ammonia or nitrate and can be that of water from LFS and not yours. Assure to provide Good water quality monitored by a reliable test kit and feed nutritious food with fats such as LRS fish or Herbivore frenzy, plankton, krill and mysis shrimp.