I just want a 15min delay on for a socket/switch

[esther]

Maybe someone has come up with a simple solution to my dilemma. I might as well ask here.

Basically, I want the socket to turn on an item 15min after it gets power. So, I want my skimmer to start up only after power is applied to the socket and after 15minutes has elapsed. I know this sounds like something that would be simple to program.. But in GHL.. it's far from simple near as I can see.

I don't want twenty programmable logic things assigned to 1 socket so that in every feed mode and maintenance mode or anytime the socket shuts off the skimmer is delayed in starting. Near as I can tell the Blackout delay won't function like this as the powerbar and Profilux never had a true power outage. Am I wrong on this?

I know Reef Octopus makes a delay socket but it's set for 5min. If I can't find a better solution I might go that route. I'm also looking into Smart sockets to add to the plug on my Skimmer.

@Vinny@GHLUSA @Ditto

What did you end up doing for this? I'm trying to do it as well, but GHL doesn't make this very easy.

 

[Vinny@GHLUSA Verified Sponsor]

Have a look at the P4 Resource Guide. The steps are on page 64 along with many other examples.

 

[Aquagen]

Easiest lowest programming way to stop a skimmer would be a float switch imo.
Pl 1 Socket off with delayed on 900s AND pl2 level switch

Personally I run my return as a timer, use autofeeders. Skimmer reacts to blackout delayed on at a socket level. Skimmer reacts to timer delayed on. Skimmer reacts to maintence delayed with combined pl

 

[ajhudson15]

I live my ghl stuff but this is one area where the Apex is much easier. Programming these things is so much more complicated for an average person where the Apex and directions make it easy even for my wife

 

[Kyl]

That's my only real knock with the platform switch; the interweaving of PL gates requirements to achieve what is a simple IF > THEN statement elsewhere quickly becomes confusing, even to a techie like myself.

 

[AZMSGT]

What did you end up doing for this? I'm trying to do it as well, but GHL doesn't make this very easy.

I by-passed the ridiculous GHL programing and went with a simple solution. I have my skimmer plugged into a timer delay. It’s not the 15 minutes I wanted but it works.
https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/protein-skimmer-delay-timer-reef-octopus.html

 

[Lasse]

Gx = filter 1 delay 900 sec
Sx ( the socket the skimmer is connected to) = function Gx

In your maintance program - be sure to switch of Sx. In feed program - be sure it manage filter 1.

This will make all loss of power to have a 15 minutes delay of the skimmer

Easy like that

Sincerely Lasse

 

[Ditto]

I just did something similar with a person in PM:

The First One is your Maintenance logic, make sure you invert this one :) For me this was Program Logic 21:

The Second one is your Feed mode Logic, for me I did this on Program Logic G22:

Then I need to tie these two together, which I did with Program Logic 20:

Then Assign Program Logic 20 to the Switch Port of your skimmer:

Save your config and your all set. For demonstration set mine in the example above for 10 seconds for testing but for example if you wanted 15 minutes it would be set to 900 seconds. Last in the event of power outage which is not power cut detection by the P4(Which means the P4 senses the power outage and is still powered on) then set the Blackout delay to also 15 minutes.

 

[esther]

I by-passed the ridiculous GHL programing and went with a simple solution. I have my skimmer plugged into a timer delay. It’s not the 15 minutes I wanted but it works.
https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/protein-skimmer-delay-timer-reef-octopus.html

Thanks for the tip, but it's really kind of crazy that you had to buy that because the GHL isn't very helpful. Ugh. I'm going to try and figure this out if it's the last thing I do. Pretty sure GHL will be the death of me. lol

 

[ingchr1]

Here's the logic I use:

G5 is for my skimmer, G4 for my ATO.

Maintenance 1 is for when I do a water change and Maintenance 2 is for when I work on the rear chambers in my AIO.

I only use one feed mode (Filter 1).

I also have a power cut (Maintenance 3) assigned to the skimmer and ATO sockets.

 

[Lasse]

Thanks for the tip, but it's really kind of crazy that you had to buy that because the GHL isn't very helpful. Ugh. I'm going to try and figure this out if it's the last thing I do. Pretty sure GHL will be the death of me. lol

See my post above. It is easy

And both @Ditto and @ingchr1 have working solutions too

Sincerely Lasse

 

[AZMSGT]

Gx = filter 1 delay 900 sec
Sx ( the socket the skimmer is connected to) = function Gx

In your maintance program - be sure to switch of Sx. In feed program - be sure it manage filter 1.

This will make all loss of power to have a 15 minutes delay of the skimmer

Easy like that

Sincerely Lasse

But this doesn’t work when a switch is turned off via feed or maintenance mode. The problem as posted originally is to have a method that delays the skimmer restart after EVERY instance that that socket is turned off, not just a power outage.

So if a person wants to have the skimmer off for all 4 maintenance and all 4 feed modes you need to create 16 programable Logics to make this work. Yea, NUTS on that.

 

[Ditto]

The example I provided provides a delay of 15 mins after maintenance mode 1, or Filter Mode 1 and last 15 minutes after a power outage. All 3 should provide you a delay after the mode is completed.

 

[K7BMG]

So your solution is an IDEC time delay relay.
If I remembet to, when I am at my office next I will get and post the correct part number, along with a wiring diagram.
These relays can be set for
ON delay, form a few seconds up to 60 minutes.
OFF delay. from a few seconds up to 60 minutes.

How you control the outlet to the time delay and skimmer is up to you.
But when the outlet becomes energized the skimmer will not turn on for however long you set it for.

There are three things on the relay to set.
1st if its to be an Off or ON Delay.
2nd the time setting scale. Seconds or Minutes
3rd the dial to set the ammount of time of the chosen cycle.

 

[AZMSGT]

The example I provided provides a delay of 15 mins after maintenance mode 1, or Filter Mode 1 and last 15 minutes after a power outage. All 3 should provide you a delay after the mode is completed.

@Ditto Your post looks like this on two of my Forum viewing devices. PC & Ipad. No screen shots

 

[Ditto]

Ok updated my post do you see them now?

 

[Lasse]

My suggestion is identical to Dittos for feed mode. I was wrong that this was the only needed PL. You need to do as @Ditto or @ingchr1 suggested

Sincerely Lasse

 

[AZMSGT]

Ok updated my post do you see them now?

Yes, it’s all there now.

 

[Seregus]

Old post, I was trying to remember how I did the same 10-11 years ago, so started Googling and I think you needed a simple value for field ‘blackout delay’ for the socket.

Just leaving it here so someone else who find this after me knows an easy solution.

PS: for me would be a dedicated level sensor slightly above RO auto topup level, since this will be more accurate and prevent skimmer overflowing, rollermat overflowing and etc in case for some reason too much water added.

 

[Freenow54]

Maybe someone has come up with a simple solution to my dilemma. I might as well ask here.

Basically, I want the socket to turn on an item 15min after it gets power. So, I want my skimmer to start up only after power is applied to the socket and after 15minutes has elapsed. I know this sounds like something that would be simple to program.. But in GHL.. it's far from simple near as I can see.

I don't want twenty programmable logic things assigned to 1 socket so that in every feed mode and maintenance mode or anytime the socket shuts off the skimmer is delayed in starting. Near as I can tell the Blackout delay won't function like this as the powerbar and Profilux never had a true power outage. Am I wrong on this?

I know Reef Octopus makes a delay socket but it's set for 5min. If I can't find a better solution I might go that route. I'm also looking into Smart sockets to add to the plug on my Skimmer.

@Vinny@GHLUSA @Ditto

I have the perfect solution . Not only is it 15 minutes but it is a surge protector. So have a switch apply power to the receptacle that it is plugged into, or use a cheap dedicated power strip. . It checks the circuit for 15 minutes then if all ok will switch on your skimmer. You could add other sensitive electronically controlled devices as well lights ect. Bought this on amazon use it on my led pot lights in the kitchen. It was a problem before for the ac/dc converter to fail if it got a jolt because of a quick power outage . I had to replace three in about 6 months. Now have not. Also use it on my TV , and refrigerator . Multiple uses . It has an orange light telling you it is in self check mode so you know its not the main breaker or something else . Amazon I thought I had a Photo . Everyone is asleep I will send one later. Or you can just punch in refrigerator surge protector on Amazon . Its a about a 4 by 4 yellow box