Ich/velvet outbreak

[dugthefish]

Discovered this morning, several fish showing spots and a couple pretty much covered. Came on fast, so I'm assuming velvet. Tentative plan is to find a 40-55gal for use as QT, and let DT fallow for 76 days or whatever the time is.

Sensitive fish include 2 tangs, a flame angel, and a mandarin. What's the best medication to use for this grouping? My sister in law works for a vet, so I'm hoping to get my hands on some chloroquine phosphate.

Also, thoughts on how to keep a mandarin alive for 2+ months in a medicated QT with no pods available. I do have a 20g QT, currently housing 2 new fish, should I need differing treatments for different fish.

Any advice appreciated.

 

[dugthefish]

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Copper has worked really well for me in the past I've used ich-X and had good luck as well. For the mandarin I've been able to supplement their diet with newly hatched brine shrimp. You might want to try that, also I chopped up blood worms and mine started eating those as well,only when I chopped them up fine enough. My mandarin got sucked up into a filter and died so I can't tell you long term but he looked fat and I had him for 4 months.

 

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Sorry dude I hate Ich and velvet..... its discouraging but you can pull it off! Its going to take some work, if you put a heavy bio load on your smaller tank just watch the ammonia, I did that one time and didn't watch close enough and my ammonia started rising and my fish died. These things happen quick so close watch and quick actions can go a long way
Edit: Kinda looks like Ich to me but other opinions might be better than mine. Ich can hide and you won't see them and then all of a sudden boom! There they are

 

[LAReefer4Life]

Looks like velvet but also I see flukes. Possibly try a fresh water dip. If its velvet the dip will provide temporary relief for your fish but if it is flukes they will drop off like sesame seeds. I would get the additional large QT ready. Copper is definitely the way to go when dealing with velvet. Some prefer copper power, I personally like cupramine. Either way, raise the copper over 2-3 days to therapeutic levels. Watch ammonia levels. DO NOT combine any ammonia reducing agents with Copper such as PRIME.

 

[LAReefer4Life]

Leave DT fallow for 4 weeks if flukes, 6 weeks if velvet, and 76 days if ICH.

 

[Mjrenz]

Looks like velvet but also I see flukes. Possibly try a fresh water dip. If its velvet the dip will provide temporary relief for your fish but if it is flukes they will drop off like sesame seeds. I would get the additional large QT ready. Copper is definitely the way to go when dealing with velvet. Some prefer copper power, I personally like cupramine. Either way, raise the copper over 2-3 days to therapeutic levels. Watch ammonia levels. DO NOT combine any ammonia reducing agents with Copper such as PRIME.

Unfortunately copper is a no go with the mandarin, if cp is an option that's going to be the best treatment for him
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fish-and-treatment-guidelines-with-chart.283450/

 

[LAReefer4Life]

Unfortunately copper is a no go with the mandarin, if cp is an option that's going to be the best treatment for him
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fish-and-treatment-guidelines-with-chart.283450/

Agreed, mandarin is the one species I have not dealt with personally.

Referring to the fish shown in the photos posted.

 

[bluprntguy]

Also, thoughts on how to keep a mandarin alive for 2+ months in a medicated QT with no pods available. I do have a 20g QT, currently housing 2 new fish, should I need differing treatments for different fish.

For food, hatching live baby brine shrimp is going to be the sure fire bet. The hatchery from brineshrimpdirect is phenomenal. Squirt them directly in the mandarins face with a turkey baster.

I’d also purchase some decapsulated brine shrimp eggs from amazon. They come dry in a pouch. The decapsulated brine shrimp eggs can be fed directly (non-hatching) and most fish love them. If the mandarin takes to those, you can start mixing in some frozen cyclops then move on to mysis.

I’d wager that’s enough to get the mandarin through 2 months and you’ll hopefully have a mandarin trained on frozen at the end.

You can also culture Tisbe pods in a separate tank, but I think you are going to have enough to worry about and I don’t think it’s necessary.

 

[Mjrenz]

Agreed, mandarin is the one species I have not dealt with personally.

Referring to the fish shown in the photos posted.

I don't have any experience with them personally either but I just read it last night:)

 

[bluprntguy]

Unfortunately copper is a no go with the mandarin, if cp is an option that's going to be the best treatment for him
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fish-and-treatment-guidelines-with-chart.283450/

Weird. Seachem says cupramine is fine with mandarins. Never done it personally, but I’d trust your link more than Seachem.
It also looks like hypo isn’t well tolerated, so that leaves TTM for the mandarin and it really only works on ich.

 

[Mjrenz]

Weird. Seachem says cupramine is fine with mandarins. Never done it personally, but I’d trust your link more than Seachem.
It also looks like hypo isn’t well tolerated, so that leaves TTM for the mandarin and it really only works on ich.

Humblefish has an alternate source for obtaining cp on his site
https://humble.fish/chloroquine-phosphate/
If you can find a fish friendly people doctor, like I did for the cp I have, it's also used in humans as a preventative for malaria