You just argued your own argumentNo its not possible to overflow it unless you massively overfilled the sump or got the wrong size.
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You just argued your own argumentNo its not possible to overflow it unless you massively overfilled the sump or got the wrong size.
You just argued your own argument
Exactly, haha. That's why I really got it just to keep on the blue setting. Though the sunset colors might look interesting sometimes.I love that, too. The mood setting abilities are endless... imagine someone seeing it for the first time - quite impressive.
Of course, there's a fine line between wow and tacky. I don't want las vegas in my house lol.
No, there is not. The siphon breaks and the water stops. My power goes off a couple times a month. No issues. That's Sump 101. I agree that everything has risks. Some have much more than others though. Our job is to select things that have the lowest risk and highest reward. A sump does that as compared to a canister.So if you have a return pump failure in a sump, there's no possibility of overflow in a sump??? Ever?? Everything has failure points, even your aquarium.
I'm not sure why the canister vs sump debate riles everyone up so much... they are all just different approaches to reaching the same desired result, lol. I feel I constantly have to defend my choice to try my 2nd reef tank with a canister. I know sumps work. I know how HOB work (from 30 years' freshwater experience - I hate them). I have never ran a canister filter but I'm excited to try something different. (I've also decided after almost a year with an AIO, I don't like those either. So fingers crossed for the canister!)Because if you aren't willing to look or take care of your tank for longer than a couple of seconds, what's the point??
For us canister heads, 10 minutes of our lives is nothing to worry about
That's your setup but not everyonesNo, there is not. The siphon breaks and the water stops. My power goes off a couple times a month. No issues. That's Sump 101. I agree that everything has risks. Some have much more than others though. Our job is to select things that have the lowest risk and highest reward. A sump does that as compared to a canister.
I'm not sure why the canister vs sump debate riles everyone up so much... they are all just different approaches to reaching the same desired result, lol. I feel I constantly have to defend my choice to try my 2nd reef tank with a canister. I know sumps work. I know how HOB work (from 30 years' freshwater experience - I hate them). I have never ran a canister filter but I'm excited to try something different. (I've also decided after almost a year with an AIO, I don't like those either. So fingers crossed for the canister!)
It bugs me that people can be so quick to disregard a canister, if that's what someone chooses to use.I'm not sure why the canister vs sump debate riles everyone up so much... they are all just different approaches to reaching the same desired result, lol. I feel I constantly have to defend my choice to try my 2nd reef tank with a canister. I know sumps work. I know how HOB work (from 30 years' freshwater experience - I hate them). I have never ran a canister filter but I'm excited to try something different. (I've also decided after almost a year with an AIO, I don't like those either. So fingers crossed for the canister!)
I get what you're saying. The Oase canisters ARE expensive, but after doing a ton of research on different canister options out there, I opted to spend the extra and buy one myself. I like the design and I love that the heater is integrated but you also have the choice to remove it. The version I got is the 350 for a smaller tank and I got it on sale from Petco online, so it wasn't nearly as much. I have learned I hate messing with replacing filter floss all the time in my AIO baskets, so I'm up for a change, lol.I think this is more about the OP than current people running canisters.
He has not set his tank up yet so he has a clear choice still and the canister he is looking at is $400 which is absurd for how limited it is.
Plus he said he wants a clean display but leaves the house for 2-3 weeks at a time.
Yeah I agree. We have a 90 gallon reef tank in my office, with a sump. It's louder than my AIO. But it does accomplish keeping the gear out of the display. My boss and I go back and forth all the time because he swears by having a sump and says it's the ONLY way worth doing, and has been telling me for months that my AIO is inferior, etc. I mean it's true that I don't love the way the AIO works, even though it accomplished my goal of having nothing in the display. But my tank has been successful. It's like, everyone is entitled to their opinion on what works best for whatever reasons, but no one needs to be pushy about it or judge someone for using something different. I don't want to drill my tank either. Could have bought pre-drilled, BUT, the stand I have has no way to fit a sump. It will however, fit the canister perfectly, with room for my ATO reservoir on the other side. Could I have got a different stand and done a sump? Sure. But I bought the stand on purpose to match my furniture, and I love it. Everyone has different goals, lol. I'm thinking of eventually converting my current tank to freshwater and if all goes well with this canister, will probably get one for that as well.It bugs me that people can be so quick to disregard a canister, if that's what someone chooses to use.
People need to get over themselves and their high horse they rode in on.
There's obvious and not so obvious reasons to use a canister, and like @simplicity stated they don't want to drill out the aquarium. Therefore the canister is a good idea to solve that solution.
That's everyone's set-up. It's common knowledge to experienced Reefers.That's your setup but not everyones
That's everyone's set-up. It's common knowledge to experienced Reefers.
It’s different because it has a pre filter with 6 sponges on a skewer that you can remove by just twisting a cap and pulling the skewer out. Check out a cleaning video of it, it’s very easy. Did your canister filters have a decent pre filter?
You are correct about the Lily being glass and the things that will grow inside. And I think an internal Magnum Polishing filter will clean water just as well as a cannister. Just use the Magnum once every 2 weeks or sooner when cleaning rocks and sand, makes the water near crystal clear. I use one on both fresh and salt tanks.Yes, but he could remove that canister filter and his tank would still do just fine and look good without it.
It's not doing anything amazing for him. So why spend the money on it?
Glass piping in a reef tank is always terrible, you have to clean those pipes often once the tank matures... since you said you don't want it visible. Stuff grows on them incredibly fast. I know because I tried a glass hob overflow, never again. It turns brown so quick and gross and ugly. A HOB overflow would look 100x better.
So yes, it is a ton of work cleaning those pipes over and over and over. I would just not run anything on it if you are OCD about keeping it clean looking or you could intermittently run a easy internal filter or such during weekly maintenance so you pop it on and stir the sand.. then take it off a few hours later. Reef tanks don't need mechanical filtration. Make sure you can reach the back wall to clean it often.
After enough days of cleaning it over and over and maybe breaking it once or twice... you just realize it is not worth. Now if you don't mind cleaning them often, sure go try it out but you asked about canisters being extra work.. soo? Not sure if this is something you want to do or not?
Youtube is deceptive.. they clean their tanks before taking videos or what not and make sure it looks perfect. lol We dang well know crap is growing all over that glass tube. It has light and flow and snails can't clean it out so it is perfect for microalgae.
I have been using a basic HOB overflow with sump and been running with no problems with losing siphon for 7 years. They also have a sponge prefilter that you just pull out and replace with a clean one. I have a finer filter pad in my main filter chamber that I change out when water just starts to over flow, so easy. Next to the filter I have my skimmer that drains into the filter compartment because I was having trouble keeping nutrients up, now po4 and no3 are pretty stable at a good number.Well the guy doesn't use the canister for only mechanical filtration. He has a bunch of stuff in there including bio pellets, carbon, and some other stuff I can't remember. I don't think he could run that tank on just an algae reactor.
You do make a point about the glass pipes getting dirty. The guy in the video says he replaces them every week, then cleans the ones that need cleaned. He shows his process in a different video. There's some kind of special tubing he uses that allows him to quickly remove the glass from the tubing.
I am conflicted on the HOB overflow. I've heard some good things and some terrible things about them. You say you had success with yours?
Ahh. ok. So the diameter of the U tube should increase with the increased flow on a bigger tank, but you wouldn't want a the big diameter on a medium/small tank since the pump cant ensure adequate flow to keep out the air. That makes sense. I was wondering why the guy at saltwateraquarium.com suggested the PF-800 instead of the 1200 that has 2 U tubes... cause if I were to go this route I would think having that second tube as an emergency exhaust for the water could help in case the first one gets clogged.
You stated you have a FX4. I owned FX5 and FX6 which is basically a larger version of the FX4. No way you can tell me cleaning the FX4 is easy. From the media basket to the sponges on the side. The accumulation of detritus on the bottom of the canister. The hassle of carrying the media basket or the canister filter itself to the sink. Where with the filter sock you just have to take it out and place in a new filter sock. Throw the old one in the washer.You obviously don't have a clue about canister filters that are available today.