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Let’s take a look at some EXIF data: A semi-aggressive and unprovoked dive into photographic dupery

  1. Jlobes

    Jlobes Valuable Member

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    @Berlibee answer is in this response. we all know that things get edited, it has to happen for things to look "right", but that editing should not be used to make the coral look like a different coral or something you wont get...

     
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  2. Battlecorals

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    Hi Alexey! No it's great man appreciate the post. And good point. I mean my pics all are edited as well so I would expect the same kind of scrutiny i have expressed that you show others. Just as Jason stated above, post processing is essential for accurate replication. Especially if you shoot in RAW which I do. Would be happy to take you through the entire process of how I edited that exact pic if you like.

    The adjustments I made were done to correct any light and color issues that the RAW image picked up witch looked like the pic below. Obviously not how I saw them in person. The beauty of shooting in RAW is that it allows me to replicate, to the best of my abilities how they do look in person. I'd like to invite the buyer of this pack to chime in if he feels like it, and let me know how i did on the pic as well.


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  3. Berlibee

    Berlibee ReefHacks Team R2R Supporter Gold Sponsor Build Thread Contributor

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    Thank you for the answer Adam and the post. :) It's nice to see that you care about.
     
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  4. monkiboy

    monkiboy Valuable Member R2R Supporter

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    the only ones I could find that worked in the tool from several vendor's threads were reef pets and reef raft. several other popular vendors I was hoping for some insight on did not work with the tool.
     
  5. Rydogg420

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    Man. I clicked on this to see some crazy, too good to be true corals. Disappointed! Lol....
     
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    Buy a small pack from a
    Vendor, not a crazy priced pack but something they have photographed. Dip it, qt it, put it in your tank and revisit it in a few months then decide if it is worth being a repeat customer.

    Or, go nuts and buy based on pics, get disappointed, second guess your reef keeping, let the vendor tell you it's your system at fault, go down a path of dependency And become a dilusioned repeat customer of a shady vendor.

    I wish I had photo skills. I have a Nikon d90 and struggle to turn it on. The best I can do is put a gel on my iPhone and click. It helps improve the image without being crazy
     
  7. Battlecorals

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    Yes unfortunately it's not as universally applicable as I wish it was, but the theme of the write up still sheds light once again on a topic that does need to be reinforced often. Thanks for the post!
     
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    You know what you could do if you can't see the metadata? Ask the vendor for it. If the vendor says no then use a vendor that will or buy local maybe? The thought of that is interesting..
     
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    SandJ Well-Known Member Build Thread Contributor

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    Just a thought, but what if someone produced a color wheel (maybe with red, white, blue, and yellow-or with even more colors), printed on a small piece of plastic that could be placed next to the coral for sale. If that was made available for customers to order and have in hand to compare to what they seen on the screen it may be possible to tell how much the colors differ from real life.

    It could be a standard of sorts.
     
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  10. Scottsquatch

    Scottsquatch Glad to be back!

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    This is one of the main reasons I decided that BC is gonna be my "go to" source for corals. Adam is up front that he DOES edit his pics and he tells why he does it and how he does it. Really refreshing to find with all the over-hyped crap for sale out there.
     
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    I agree, thank you for taking the time to put it together as even the results of those two vendor's photos was interesting to review via the tool.
     
  12. braaap

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    Probably because everyone is afraid to offend someone. I'll call them out. Jason Fox. Sexy Corals. Reef Raft. The Candy Shop AKA Stansberry. Reef Gardner. WCC. "Legendary" Corals. All of them HEAVILY edit their pictures. And the "Walt Disney" looks NOTHING like the pictures in real life. I've seen 2 different pieces in 2 different tank and they don't even come close.
     
  13. Sabellafella

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    Ive seen about 7 different full blow colonys and ALL OF THEM looked completely different. One thing they didnt have incommon were the bright blue tips, I never speak about editing photos, but none of them look like mother.
     
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    <3 Yep!
     
  15. timkenagy

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    That's what I look for! What is this coral going to look to me when I get it? Even when one snaps a pic with an iPhone... With no filter of adjustment of lights it's difficult without some editing. And I don't even mind polishing it up a bit.. But compare the average hobbiests photos of (just for example purposes) the WWC jellybean.. It's way more attractive on the vendors site than any hobbyists pics I've seen. Btw im not saying they enhance colors.. What I am saying is I have a feeling I'd be disappointed with my $500 frag. But look at your reputation Adam. That's what honesty gets you. ;) (any word on my shipment yet? :p)
     
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    And not to pick on WWC because they're not alone. But one of the things I would often use as a judge for color enhancement is the eggcrate in the background. A lot can be said about the image based on the color of it. (It's also a good reference for size) but now WWC is completely blacking that out of the image all together...
     
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    I'll give you $50 for the one in the middle, but $150 for the ones in the bottom picture. ;)
     
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    timkenagy ~Unashamed 116~

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    For $20 I'll sell you a digital copy of this photo of the coral and you'll get entered in a 1 in a gazillion chance to win the actual coral. (will draw a name as soon as I've sold a gazillion "digital photos")
     
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    timkenagy ~Unashamed 116~

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    That's pretty washed out for a WD. The photos online are enhanced but I've seen ones in person that look way better then this. Did you just get it? Shock from shipping perhaps? So many variables that will determine the future of a colony.. What lights, flow, water quality.. A great example is the red planet. You can place a frag of that in a few different lighted areas and it will appear as different corals in the same tank.
     
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    Sometimes the frag plugs are just as pretty as the coral.
     
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