List the top controversial reef keeping practices
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Boacvh agreed we all justify that to ourselves with the best systems but its not hard to imagine how someone from the outside can easily hate the practice, these boxes are small. even the seventeen thousand gallon one
it is not easy to justify keeping fish in boxes that could possibly be a new #1, thinking outside the hobby scope yes
But keeping coral in them> sorry to all critics we're growing so much + coral mass that we might be needed to offer actual corals back to real reefs one day, cannot knock coral production at home as nature isn't currently pulling it off in all areas.
I literally throw dinner plate totals of red montipora in the trash because nobody wants unattached broke off whorls I needed to make space in the tank. I literally have more sps than I can handle all from a chip the size of a thumbnail, they'll need to get out their notepads vs critique
but fish keepers? ya'll are on the hook for that one lol not a pico reefer's problem. great call I think it might should be #1
what if we were producing endangered florida staghorn to the degree it could be considered throwaway mass
a common brown acro? not hard. we could grow them in the same mason jars the moonshiners use.
it is not easy to justify keeping fish in boxes that could possibly be a new #1, thinking outside the hobby scope yes
But keeping coral in them> sorry to all critics we're growing so much + coral mass that we might be needed to offer actual corals back to real reefs one day, cannot knock coral production at home as nature isn't currently pulling it off in all areas.
I literally throw dinner plate totals of red montipora in the trash because nobody wants unattached broke off whorls I needed to make space in the tank. I literally have more sps than I can handle all from a chip the size of a thumbnail, they'll need to get out their notepads vs critique
but fish keepers? ya'll are on the hook for that one lol not a pico reefer's problem. great call I think it might should be #1
what if we were producing endangered florida staghorn to the degree it could be considered throwaway mass
a common brown acro? not hard. we could grow them in the same mason jars the moonshiners use.
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I have to go edit and bump mine down now to 2 and 3 until a more enlightening perspective is posted, I do think fish at all is legit.
keeping fish at all is controversial but only to those outside the hobby, inside the hobby I see it as anyone who meets basic prep and study criteria for beginning has just as much right to learn about marine organisms and try and contribute one day back to helping them as any phd
keeping fish at all is controversial but only to those outside the hobby, inside the hobby I see it as anyone who meets basic prep and study criteria for beginning has just as much right to learn about marine organisms and try and contribute one day back to helping them as any phd
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Oregon Grown Reef
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I don't know about you, but I saved my fish from being eaten by a larger fish. I feel just fine about that.
Ditto. Mine enjoy a lifetime of Spa treatment after I rescued them from horrible predators
desagon
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To help you understand what controversy means, I pulled up the definition:
controversy, which is a prolonged dispute, debate, or state of contention, especially one that unfolds in public and involves a stark difference of opinion.
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there's still a time we use tap water in reefing, and always will
sandbed rinsing which is for sure in itself a ranking offense.
the reason we will always use tap water in our tank transfer thread/fifty pages is because nobody has a fifty page/500 reef tank transfer thread not using tap water as the rinse, or without rinsing at all. before a better option can be said Ill need to see a link.
because tap water rinsing of a sandbed before moving it over to a new tank is the only roadmap on file, we ought to keep up the standard is how I see it.
why tap vs ro/di or saltwater for rinsing sand, and why even rinse sand in the first place?
because if anyone tries to assemble a rinse-free old sand moved tank transfer thread they'll kill thousands of dollars of other people's money. we realize it always works for someone's single system at home, but the detail is in what works for the masses. and in a tank transfer thread where a thousand reef tanks gather to initiate a move, if someone loses their reef its embarrassing
so, enter the rinse. its the only way to streamline entrants in a tank transfer/home move help thread (because rinsing ejects all detritus waste, the locus of concern...clean new reefs using the same rocks from prior do not recycle, ever)
now that we can see a rinse is required, what cha going to use on a 200 gallon system with 150 pounds of stinky sand? ro and salt water $ and run out, midway, causing a partial rinse which is worse than giving it no go at all.
tap is endless
we can drink it too, its not like nuclear sludge. we can use it briefly to eject all waste. final rinse in ro or salt If ocd about the matter, but either way a massive segment of hobbyists will continue using tap water especially if they want a reef that doesn't do this for ten days upon setup, even if they use completely new sand.
tap rinse all your sand before adding it, the only exception is TBS true live sand.
the reason we rinse caribsea sand even though the label says its not required is because:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/so-i-didnt-rinse.592624/
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/sandbed-stirred-up.544852/#post-5723606
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/very-cloudy-water-after-sand-and-rock.559386/#post-5735864
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/question-about-vacuuming-sand-bed.616059/ https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/new-tank-milky-cloudy.616519/
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/cloudy-tank.576835/
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bummer-could-use-some-help.558301/
the reason we rinse old sand when moving or upgrading is because that's the only way one can run a work thread on the matter. its the only safe move method for the masses.
sandbed rinsing
which is for sure in itself a ranking offense.the reason we will always use tap water in our tank transfer thread/fifty pages is because nobody has a fifty page/500 reef tank transfer thread not using tap water as the rinse, or without rinsing at all. before a better option can be said Ill need to see a link.
because tap water rinsing of a sandbed before moving it over to a new tank is the only roadmap on file, we ought to keep up the standard is how I see it.
why tap vs ro/di or saltwater for rinsing sand, and why even rinse sand in the first place?
because if anyone tries to assemble a rinse-free old sand moved tank transfer thread they'll kill thousands of dollars of other people's money. we realize it always works for someone's single system at home, but the detail is in what works for the masses. and in a tank transfer thread where a thousand reef tanks gather to initiate a move, if someone loses their reef its embarrassing
so, enter the rinse. its the only way to streamline entrants in a tank transfer/home move help thread (because rinsing ejects all detritus waste, the locus of concern...clean new reefs using the same rocks from prior do not recycle, ever)
now that we can see a rinse is required, what cha going to use on a 200 gallon system with 150 pounds of stinky sand? ro and salt water $ and run out, midway, causing a partial rinse which is worse than giving it no go at all.
tap is endless
we can drink it too, its not like nuclear sludge. we can use it briefly to eject all waste. final rinse in ro or salt If ocd about the matter, but either way a massive segment of hobbyists will continue using tap water especially if they want a reef that doesn't do this for ten days upon setup, even if they use completely new sand.
tap rinse all your sand before adding it, the only exception is TBS true live sand.
the reason we rinse caribsea sand even though the label says its not required is because:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/so-i-didnt-rinse.592624/
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/sandbed-stirred-up.544852/#post-5723606
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/very-cloudy-water-after-sand-and-rock.559386/#post-5735864
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/question-about-vacuuming-sand-bed.616059/ https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/new-tank-milky-cloudy.616519/
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/cloudy-tank.576835/
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bummer-could-use-some-help.558301/
the reason we rinse old sand when moving or upgrading is because that's the only way one can run a work thread on the matter. its the only safe move method for the masses.
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FishyFishFish
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Allied to #1, shipping fish in the mail.
Using chemical filtration (e.g. purigen/chemipure) as a matter of course without establishing if it is necessary or not.
Trying to correct problems by adding chemicals.
Using chemical filtration (e.g. purigen/chemipure) as a matter of course without establishing if it is necessary or not.
Trying to correct problems by adding chemicals.
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Hydrogen Peroxide.. nuff said.
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1000% controversial in 2011 and still a source of unspoken concern for fifteen thousand reefers. Peroxide, the bubbly.
thankfully, in the nick of time Jon Malkerson ran a test
www.reef2reef.com
so it turns out adding peroxide to a reef tank temporarily boosts filtration efficiency.
its ok if old reef tank rules were totally made up and baseless, we're just getting out of the stuck cycle/you need to buy more stuff phase in the hobby. we'll have that fixed by spring of '27 bet.
please allow me to assemble a brief list of the entities already on record claiming peroxide harms bacteria in a reef tank:
-any forum mod that has existed on earth.
-every reader of a peroxide post that has existed or will exist.
-literally any person posting on a forum who's had a science job at one point or currently in life is the absolute authority on peroxide effects on bacteria in a reef tank.
but then there's seneye, seneye is showing several old reefing rules to be bunk.
thankfully, in the nick of time Jon Malkerson ran a test
Does anyone dose ammonia and/or how would one try?
Team would anyone with a seneye dose one mil of 3% per ten gallons and lets track if nitrification is affected one iota this data is missing from all of reefing by the way. Dont begin peroxide dosing if you don’t already use it whenev but if someone has already used it and owns a seneye we...
www.reef2reef.com
so it turns out adding peroxide to a reef tank temporarily boosts filtration efficiency.
its ok if old reef tank rules were totally made up and baseless, we're just getting out of the stuck cycle/you need to buy more stuff phase in the hobby. we'll have that fixed by spring of '27 bet.
please allow me to assemble a brief list of the entities already on record claiming peroxide harms bacteria in a reef tank:
-any forum mod that has existed on earth.
-every reader of a peroxide post that has existed or will exist.
-literally any person posting on a forum who's had a science job at one point or currently in life is the absolute authority on peroxide effects on bacteria in a reef tank.
but then there's seneye, seneye is showing several old reefing rules to be bunk.
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Lady of Babylon
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Controversial topic: Welcoming and seeking out reef “pests.” Never washing/dipping coral/ other organisms for the hitchhikers. It used to be something people paid a lot of money for, now it’s nearly impossible to obtain the funky freeloading hitchhikers. Makes building a true ecosystem in the tank a pain in the ****, unless you live near the beach and can collect your own aquatic fantastic freaks that hardly anyone knows or understands anything about... given that you don’t destroy and decimate the original wild ecosystem to do so.
NeonRabbit221B
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I would argue that people pay a lot of money for these "pests" still. A few months back I dropped a large chunk of change on bristleworms, mama mias and others. The dry rock trend needs to end lol
BostonReefer300
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These days? Gotta be “ideal NO3 and PO4 levels”
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Gee thanks .....
If you think switching salt mixes rises to the level of a controversial practice, good for you: I do not. By that same interpretation, deciding on a tank size, which fish to get next, how to size an UV ...... just gives me a headache. Not sure that's what the OP had in mind. But, hey, a literal interpretation is fine, just not the way I think.
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