Long term issues with dosing H2O2?

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Curious upon the idea of daily dosing 3% hydrogen peroxide. I have used it many many many times in the past, periodically sustained, and have yet to notice a downside to it. However, I am recently considering the idea of dosing it daily via dosing pump. Currently, I do carbon dose via biopellets, are there any adverse effects?
 
Wouldn't that destroy the dosing pump?

Regardless, why are you wanting to dose it continually?
 
With my battle of Dino’s a couple years ago, I noticed the tank thrived afterwards. Meaning the type of Dino’s had died from the h2o2 and the continued use of it kept the tank spotless 24/7. Unfortunately due to a move I had to rip down that tank. I wanted to try and recreate those results in my new tank. Was curious upon if there are any long term effects there of.
 
Wouldn't that destroy the dosing pump?

Regardless, why are you wanting to dose it continually?
Made my old tank look immaculate. Wanting to attempt to recreate, but also wanted better knowledge before I do so. Old tank was only running a few months due to a move.
 
What are you hoping it accomplishes?
With my battle of Dino’s a couple years ago, I noticed the tank thrived afterwards. Meaning the type of Dino’s had died from the h2o2 and the continued use of it kept the tank spotless 24/7. Unfortunately due to a move I had to rip down that tank. I wanted to try and recreate those results in my new tank. Was curious upon if there are any long term effects there of.
 
I'm not sure if this is specific to my situation or more generalised, but I noticed that when using hydrogen peroxide direct to the aquarium decimated my copepod, amphipod and micro brittlestar numbers.

Somehow this is not the case after utilising a Söchting Oxydator and after introducing new copepods, amphipod and brittle starfish which are now months later finally reproducing back to sustainable numbers.
 
With my battle of Dino’s a couple years ago, I noticed the tank thrived afterwards. Meaning the type of Dino’s had died from the h2o2 and the continued use of it kept the tank spotless 24/7. Unfortunately due to a move I had to rip down that tank. I wanted to try and recreate those results in my new tank. Was curious upon if there are any long term effects there of.

There are a variety of chemical and biological effects from hydrogen peroxide dosing. I'd treat it as an experiment, and would not necessarily assume all effects are positive.
 
There are a variety of chemical and biological effects from hydrogen peroxide dosing. I'd treat it as an experiment, and would not necessarily assume all effects are positive.
Thank you, sir. Any chemical and biological effects I should be concerned of or look out for?
 
I'm not sure if this is specific to my situation or more generalised, but I noticed that when using hydrogen peroxide direct to the aquarium decimated my copepod, amphipod and micro brittlestar numbers.

Somehow this is not the case after utilising a Söchting Oxydator and after introducing new copepods, amphipod and brittle starfish which are now months later finally reproducing back to sustainable numbers.
Interesting. Do you dose h2o2 daily?
 
Interesting. Do you dose h2o2 daily?
I did use it to help with dinos, but I never remotely thought about using it long term.

I like the thought of why you want to do this, but as Randy said it would pretty much be an experiment, and I'd be extremely slow about it if I were to do it at all
 
I think look at people's experience with the oxydator, as multiple people have shown it releases small amounts of H2O2 continuously.

I think my specific concerns would be (ranked from most to least significant)
1. that some crucial Trace elements that are needed by everything are reactive with H2O2, and so could have their oxidation state and thus their solubility and bioavailability changed, often made lower. This, as much as direct cell killing might be a reason that H2O2 can reduce the amount of algae growth in a system.

2. Not all algae species are equally susceptible to chemical oxidation, some like cyanobacteria are more sensitive. So I would expect the community of what photosynthetic organisms grows to change when dosing peroxide. This might not be bad. It might be exactly what is desired, but it might be difficult to predict all the ramifications, such as decimating copepod population.

3. As far as direct cell killing, I would certainly expect the population of bacteria in the water to change, some would be very susceptible to peroxide, and others less so. This, again might not be a concern. But it is a change that is hard to predict, and hard to know if it is happening, and might have some unexpected consequences for things like how nutrients are processed in the system.
 
Peroxide in the reef is 2011 there's 14 years of data in posts, it's not some big mystery risk at all. I've seen every dose mode there is

No harm to filter bacteria is #1 observation

It does not wipe out pods

It'll either work, or not. Habituation in targets happens, builds strength against.

I bet there's two thousand tracked applications in our work threads alone

It's not some trepidation event of risk, it's easy to predict what a reef dosing peroxide does. Highly, highly predictable. Risk, low. Kalk dumps kill more tanks than peroxide mishaps.

We have a reliable/short list of sensitive organisms we plan with.
 
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It's not some trepidation event of risk, it's easy to predict what a reef dosing peroxide does.

OK, please do tell us the long term effects of dosing peroxide at levels high enough to eradicate dinos.
 
3% peroxide shrunk every coral in my tank after two weeks, dosing 1ml per 20g, every other day.

It took 4 months to return to normal.

While it may kill pest algae’s, I assume it kills the good guy stuff as well, thus reducing the effectiveness of my bio-filter (a sharp increase in nutrients) and reduces corals intake, the shrinking effect.

It was clear (to me) that there was no benefit of this treatment, I could have reduced Dino numbers many other ways and maintaining stable nutrients without peroxide would have solved the issue….or at least…for me. I can’t see what value peroxide adds to systems.

But my water looked fantastic. Almost like running UV.
 
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No side effects. Either works or does not. I've seen targets develop resistance, necessitating the step up to 35% depending on details

Would i dose continually? No, habituation. There's better ways than constant drip but side effects are so low i recall none.
 
No side effects. Either works or does not. I've seen targets develop resistance, necessitating the step up to 35% depending on details

So it's a wonder drug that only kills dinos and has no other negative effects whatsoever?

You seem to be answering a different question than was asked. He is not looking to treat for pest dinos.
 
No harm comes in our threads because we reduce lighting power/ recurring theme/ to stop irritation if there's dosing to the tank.

Troys thread here is the oldest resource I know. Any melts here? Panic, fails, crashes?

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dinoflagellates-my-experience-h2o2-reefing-tool.52084/
It's not a wonder drug, it's a results producer for those brave enough to work it in other people's tanks.

Here's eleven years continual:
 
No harm comes in our threads because we reduce lighting power/ recurring theme/ to stop irritation if there's dosing to the tank.

Troys thread here is the oldest resource I know. Any melts here? Panic, fails, crashes?

Did you read the question? It's not asking about treating dinos. No "work thread" result about lights has any bearing on the question.

You want him to permanently reduce his lighting? That 's a huge negative side effect, if you ask me.
 

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