Hmm . This is interesting. Started using rowaphos a week after i started dosing manganese. WOnder if it was just stripping it out. Just removed the rowaphosGfo can remove some trace elements, as read on other threads.
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Hmm . This is interesting. Started using rowaphos a week after i started dosing manganese. WOnder if it was just stripping it out. Just removed the rowaphosGfo can remove some trace elements, as read on other threads.
I wonder if he would do better lower down on the right kind of same level as the hammer but on the right side. All mine are near the bottom same level as my hammers.I got some before and after photos
Before:
After (now)
Yes, you and me both. It’s soo annoying!It's my favorite coral but can't keep them alive for more than 6 months.
This shouldn't be the case over longer term.If you are doing weekly water changes then trace dosing is not necessary. I go 3 weeks between changes so I dose trace on the weeks between the change only.
I wonder what the high end for manganese is, it sounds like it has some great benefits, and maybe even elevating it further if safe would really help coral immunity/stabilityLets figure this out together miami. Im in same boat. Might up my mangnese a bit. Maybe i was stripping with rowaphos
One of mine did that about 4 months ago - retracted right back while the one next to it was fine.Thank you. I don’t know if it’s correlated, but my beautiful red Goniopora was so bright and expanded. It looked amazing. Now it’s retracted and dull
I do the same as I’ve always done with my lighting, flow, feeding, filtration, alk, nutrients etc.
2 things that changed were when I stopped dosing tropic marin Trace K+ and I reduced my water changes. I still dose my DIY iron and manganese.
I just ordered Tropic Marin K and A +. I will try almost anything to get my Goniopora back to its former glory. I hope I can figure this out. The only thing I can do is experiment until I crack the code.
Now that's a reply. Trace elements are a small section in the big story of the reef. Randy often comments how people with high or low certain elements should not be a concern. I went for 1.5 years with weekly water changes never dosing any trace. As I spread my water changes out to 3 weeks with a full biolod of corals and chaeto my ICP started showing lower numbers in some trace areas. Dosing red sea in between my water changes suffices to replenish those trace areas. On my water change day I don't dose trace at all and now for the past year I am very well balanced each month.This shouldn't be the case over longer term.
Unless it's at some point getting a 100% change, but I am not sure what the rates of that would be.
I would think if elements are depleting, that 20% water changes a week would not suffice. If I was relying on that in my tank I would never have iodine iron or manganese in my tank.
Though I am not an expert by any means, i jist feel like the narative of water changes handling traces on its own in a system eith demand needs to be pushed back on a little. My tank is not that dense and I bottom out quick, but I have 4 gallons of chaeto and a gallon of kenya tree in roughly 80 gallons of water, so I very well might be a special case for younger tanks.
Saying water changes handle traces is probably true over a few years in a lot of systems for all I know, I am operating off of too small of an anecdotal sample, and the idea that %50 of target concentration trace +20% water change would just result in %60 target concentration.
Though again, I am not an expert and feel free to disregard my thoughts on this. My math might even be wrong.
Attaching a pic to try to get my thought accross a little better. Assuming trace X target is 50ppm, and is consumed at 5ppm a week with 20% weekly water changes with the new water at the target concentration of 50ppm. I just ran this calculator for the first time and if this was me and just keeping detectible iron strontium and iodine, this demonstrates to me I would have to have a salt mix with a very high concentration to keep up.
That might be a decent idea for a diy salt actually for dedicated scheduled water changes or an awc system, but I guess that would be no different than dosing traces, which we rely on imperfect testing and most of us don't diy our traces as much as we should. Personally I rely on TM trace A and K, and brightwell for iodine chaetogrow for iron and other traces, and briggtwell strontium. None of which do I understand the concentration of, and have spent a few hundered over a few months to get an idea of what my consumption is and if my input is adequate. Lucky me, I am aparently super lucky in this hobby and guessed the amounts and hit my targets pretty quick, but this could be completely wrong, I am relying on the cheapest icp, bad seachem trace kits, and that a blend of traces based on consumption if other elements (tms trace system and other traces added along with chaetogrow baded only on iron consumption)
Edit: basically I have been mulling this over and i read your comment at the right time to think through it on paper, this is not at all against your advice as I believe its a way better method than playing mad scientist with a moving target in the dark with a 2 week lagtime.
2nd edit: i forget how good graphs are at pushing a narative, as you can see it looks like it would eventually level out at 30 in this scenario of a 10%/week consumption rate. I saw the graph and was like OMG
Well this certainly may be a contributing factor. I just use a fuge and skimmer.I agree court with your assesment on water changes and in fact can i attest to your evaluation because my icp tests come short on all kinds of stuff despite weekly water changes. I have an algae scrubber and it is gonna draw way more traces than a weekly water change can handle.
That makes sense, export pulls them out of the ecosystem and is removed from the food chain.Now that's a reply. Trace elements are a small section in the big story of the reef. Randy often comments how people with high or low certain elements should not be a concern. I went for 1.5 years with weekly water changes never dosing any trace. As I spread my water changes out to 3 weeks with a full biolod of corals and chaeto my ICP started showing lower numbers in some trace areas. Dosing red sea in between my water changes suffices to replenish those trace areas. On my water change day I don't dose trace at all and now for the past year I am very well balanced each month.
I appreciate your post and certainly each tank is unique and some that have very aggressive export may not work with just a water change.