Praziquantel

[Big G]

is api general cure or metroplex a better medication as fish food?

General Cure contains both Metro and Prazi so it covers a wider spectrum of internal parasites.

 

[DirtDiggler2823]

I think I have black ich on my two foxfaces. I'll be starting prazipro treatment soon. This thread has been extremely helpful. Thanks everyone!

 

[Jeeperz]

Is there still a consensus that prazipro is safe for DT with snails, coral, anemone? If I remove fish to treat, how long does DT need to be fallow to prevent reinfection of flukes. When feeding GC and focus per the recipe, will it turn pellets to mush, fish don't eat mush.

 

[parttimer]

Is there still a consensus that prazipro is safe for DT with snails, coral, anemone? If I remove fish to treat, how long does DT need to be fallow to prevent reinfection of flukes. When feeding GC and focus per the recipe, will it turn pellets to mush, fish don't eat mush.

I just dosed my tank yesterday, no coral or nems but snails and crabs. No problem so far. I have an Angel that was looking bad. After a FW dip for 6 minutes there were so many floaters in bucket it was crazy. I moved the fish by hand, the next day it was like a new fish. There is food in the bottom of the bucket, not dirt, but all those floaters were not in there!

 

[Betex]

Yeah dude if anything dose heavier than the recommended! Half dosing is literally the worst idea you could come up with.
Think about it, first off you 100% aren’t going to solve your problem with Doing half doses, it’s a waste of money, and it means you’re going to have to keep dosing prazi linger because you didn’t do it right the first time.

listen to me If you want to nip this in the bud,

dose 25% more prazi than recommended every 3 days for 12 days and do a 20-30% water change every time, turn off skimmer and remove carbon or any other filtration other than your filter floss during this time.

keep a lot of bacteria on hand to deal with spikes in nitrate/nitrite/ammonia.

afyer you are done treating flukes you need to treat with Kansplex for any secondary infections that flukes almost always cause.
If you notice your fish has an infection already you can dose prazi and kanaplex at the same time in your main tank. I have done it and it saved my tank.

you do this your flukes will be gone and your fish and coral will survive as long as they aren’t beyond saving already.

2 questions on this.

1st - I’ve been hearing of people letting their skimmers run with cup off? And if it’s skimmer/Carbon/uv off I’m assuming it’s for the entirety of the treatment?

2. Any issues with kanaplex with sps mixed?

 

[Betex]

I wouldn’t do it unless I was pretty sure that flukes were present. Although prazi is a reef safe medication and I have never had issues with it at all in a DT.

I have a yellow coris wrasse and I just think he has flukes as I see him scratching and a bit of flashing his eyes I don’t see it cloudy but at times almost looks like it goes to the back of its head. Lastly seen it yawn but issue is that it’s feeding no issues and fully active.

I just have no clue if it is or it isn’t. So don’t treat?

the reason for this is due to fact that Ihave not been able to catch this wrasse in my tank for a week now. Tried fish trap and been trying myself with no luck so can’t do fresh water dip to see what it is.

 

[Superlightman]

Some people compared the prazi against rally pro reef?

 

[hdngo]

Praziquantel (de-wormer)

What It Treats – Flukes (Monogeneans), Black Ich (Turbellarians), and intestinal worms.

How To Treat – There are a few aquarium products which contain praziquantel: Prazipro, API General Cure and Thomas Labs Fish Tapes. Follow the dosing instructions for whatever product you are using. If using straight powder praziquantel powder, dose @ 2.5 mg/L (or 9.5 mg/gal). Powder praziquantel is not easily water soluable and it often helps to mix your dose in a small amount of ethyl alcohol or even common vodka before dosing your tank.

With prazi dose once, wait about a week, do a 20-25% water change and then repeat dosage. (Or use this treatment calendar to determine when is the best time to add the second dose.) The reason for the second dose is to eradicate the “next generation” of worms before they can lay eggs of their own. Because while Prazi does kill worms, it doesn’t eliminate any eggs they might leave behind.

If you are treating a known prazi sensitive species (e.g. wrasse), you can run carbon or perform a water change 24 hours after dosing in order to limit exposure time. While praziquantel does remain active in the water column for up to 72 hours, only 24 hours are needed for it to eradicate external worms. Don’t forget to still do the second round though!

Prazipro is generally considered reef safe, although it may kill any tube worms/feathers dusters you have. It may also eradicate bristle worms. If you have mass quantities of these, the resulting die-off can lead to an ammonia spike. After treatment is done, activated carbon may be used to remove any residuals (if you need to use a different medication next). This is important because the Oxybispropanol (solubilizing agent) Prazipro contains will sometimes cause a bacterial bloom (cloudy water) when mixed with other meds. If using a protein skimmer post-treatment, be advised that it will “over skim” for at least a week or so.

API General Cure contains both praziquantel and metronidazole, and is an effective substitute for using Prazipro. (Just don’t follow the 48 hour repeat dosage instructions; Redose 5-7 days later instead.) But where General Cure really shines is when soaked in food to treat both intestinal worms and internal parasites (flagellates). Both maladies share one classic symptom: White stringy feces. You can also food soak Thomas Labs Fish Tapes or just straight praziquantel powder; but be aware that prazi only treats intestinal worms. (You would need to food soak metronidazole for internal flagellates.) I recommend feeding the medicated food daily for 2-3 weeks, or until symptoms are no longer present. My formula for food soaking prazi (and metro) can be found below:

Using a shot glass:
1 scoop (~ 1/8 teaspoon) of medication
1 scoop Seachem Focus (this makes it reef safe)
1 tbsp food (preferably pellets or frozen food)
A pinch of Epsom salt to help expel dead worms/parasites
A few drops of saltwater or fish vitamins
Stir until a medicated food slurry has been achieved
Feed after soaking for 30 mins
Refrigerate or freeze any leftovers for future use

Pros – Reef safe, effective dewormer that is relatively gentle on most fish.

Cons/Side Effects – Mild appetite suppression, moderate oxygen depletion, wrasses are sensitive to overdosing. Prazi resistant worms (both external and internal) do exist, so sometimes an alternative treatment must be used instead. This includes hyposalinity or formalin (to treat external worms), and food soaking Fenbendazole to deal with prazi resistant intestinal worms.

Hi, are you using the same scoop from the seachem focus for the general cure? For less contamination, do you know how may scoop is each bag of GC? How long can I use it when storage in refrigerator? Thanks

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hi, are you using the same scoop from the seachem focus for the general cure? For less contamination, do you know how may scoop is each bag of GC? How long can I use it when storage in refrigerator? Thanks

Using a "scoop" to measure drugs that should be dosed by weight is very imprecise. Just like with cooking, where a cup of flour can be packed or sifted, the amount in a scoop can vary by a large amount.

General Cure is sold in a packet that treats 100 gallons. The best way to treat smaller volumes of water is by weight - you weigh the full amount on a gram scale and then calculate the amount needed for a smaller volume.

General Cure is pretty shelf stable - you don't need to refrigerate it while dry, up until the expiration date on the packet. I do freeze prazi to try and extend the shelf life, but I cannot tell you for certain if that works well or not.

Jay