Quarantine protocol question

[larrysaltisfun]

I Have a 50 gallon quarantine tank. it was originally set up as an observation tank so it’s got about 20 pounds of rock and 20 pounds of sand in it. I’ve been using as a quarantine tank for about 1 year and I’ve reached equilibrium with copper being absorbed and being leached out the rocks because I have no trouble keeping Cu levels between 2.2 and 2.4 Hannah checker.

My question is , does this alter the thirty day quarantine period? I didn’t know whether having sand and rock would prolong the incubation period of the “egg stage “ of the ICH parasite, temperature is kept at 77°

 

[vetteguy53081]

I Have a 50 gallon quarantine tank. it was originally set up as an observation tank so it’s got about 20 pounds of rock and 20 pounds of sand in it. I’ve been using as a quarantine tank for about 1 year and I’ve reached equilibrium with copper being absorbed and being leached out the rocks because I have no trouble keeping Cu levels between 2.2 and 2.4 Hannah checker.

My question is , does this alter the thirty day quarantine period? I didn’t know whether having sand and rock would prolong the incubation period of the “egg stage “ of the ICH parasite, temperature is kept at 77°

May be due to rock and sand
Eliminate rock and sand

 

[larrysaltisfun]

I Have a 50 gallon quarantine tank. it was originally set up as an observation tank so it’s got about 20 pounds of rock and 20 pounds of sand in it. I’ve been using as a quarantine tank for about 1 year and I’ve reached equilibrium with copper being absorbed and being leached out the rocks because I have no trouble keeping Cu levels between 2.2 and 2.4 Hannah checker.

My question is , does this alter the thirty day quarantine period? I didn’t know whether having sand and rock would prolong the incubation period of the “egg stage “ of the ICH parasite, temperature is kept at 77°

May be due to rock and sand
Eliminate rock and sand

Thank you for your reply, but please reread my post. I am not having any issues. I’ve never had an outbreak. My question is, is having sand and rock in a stable (no variation in copper ppm 2.2-2.4 ppm) quarantine tank something that would alter the lifecycle (incubation ) of the parasite rendering 30 days prophylaxis not long enough?

 

[winxp_man]

Thank you for your reply, but please reread my post. I am not having any issues. I’ve never had an outbreak. My question is, is having sand and rock in a stable (no variation in copper ppm 2.2-2.4 ppm) quarantine tank something that would alter the lifecycle (incubation ) of the parasite rendering 30 days prophylaxis not long enough?

Only stage that I can think of, that can possibly survive copper is tomonts. Otherwise nothing else will survive 30 days of copper. And it would be asked how can tomonts make it on rocks or sand in the first place if copper is present at all times.

Only thing I can come up with is if the protomont have the ability to survive copper and make it to tomont. This will allow ich to attach to substrate and stay there until it hatches to look for a host to jump on to. But over all 30 days of copper most ich strains should be dead.

Running temp at around 81* makes ich pop out sooner.

 

[larrysaltisfun]

Makes sense, so as long as sand causes no increase in Tomont stage where they then evolve in to tomites ……30 days should still be adequate

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thank you for your reply, but please reread my post. I am not having any issues. I’ve never had an outbreak. My question is, is having sand and rock in a stable (no variation in copper ppm 2.2-2.4 ppm) quarantine tank something that would alter the lifecycle (incubation ) of the parasite rendering 30 days prophylaxis not long enough?

In that case, you should be safe and will not alter

 

[W31Olds]

It should not alter thee 30 day period. Plenty of members have FOWLR Tanks that have had outbreaks and run Copper.

 

[Freenow54]

What about Flukes ?

 

[vetteguy53081]

What about Flukes ?

What about Flukes ?

Flukes are a whole different treatment regimen and should not be an issue but there will be tell tale signs if present such as elevated breathing, scratching, sudden darting as examples

 

[winxp_man]

What about Flukes ?

You can dose tank with prazi by knowing correct water volume. Turn off skimmer or uv or both if present for at least 24 hours.

 

[larrysaltisfun]

It should not alter thee 30 day period. Plenty of members have FOWLR Tanks that have had outbreaks and run Copper.

That sounds good. I just don’t remember any posts where it was recommended to treat the display tank. And what if anything to do with the treatment time period, although I knew that it was an option. I guess most questions were from reefers and as far as recommendations … it was almost always hypo and move invertebrates out or move the livestock out and treat them in a quarantine tank

Thanks for your help

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I Have a 50 gallon quarantine tank. it was originally set up as an observation tank so it’s got about 20 pounds of rock and 20 pounds of sand in it. I’ve been using as a quarantine tank for about 1 year and I’ve reached equilibrium with copper being absorbed and being leached out the rocks because I have no trouble keeping Cu levels between 2.2 and 2.4 Hannah checker.

My question is , does this alter the thirty day quarantine period? I didn’t know whether having sand and rock would prolong the incubation period of the “egg stage “ of the ICH parasite, temperature is kept at 77°

This is a question that doesn’t have a quantifiable answer.

Back in the 1980’s I ran a commercial retail system that had coral rock and sand in it. I also equilibrated with Coppersafe, and never had issues with ich.

On the other side of the coin is a well known online persona who says that the ich tomonts can get wedged into anaerobic crevices in rock and then can survive for months….much longer than any copper treatment. I don’t agree with that since any channel narrow enough to become anaerobic would be too small to allow a tomont to move into them - it I can’t prove that.

The truth is probably in the middle. I often use 45 days for coppersafe if I have any concerns about a given treatment.

 

[MnFish1]

I Have a 50 gallon quarantine tank. it was originally set up as an observation tank so it’s got about 20 pounds of rock and 20 pounds of sand in it. I’ve been using as a quarantine tank for about 1 year and I’ve reached equilibrium with copper being absorbed and being leached out the rocks because I have no trouble keeping Cu levels between 2.2 and 2.4 Hannah checker.

My question is , does this alter the thirty day quarantine period? I didn’t know whether having sand and rock would prolong the incubation period of the “egg stage “ of the ICH parasite, temperature is kept at 77°

Agree with jay - Ich has been suggested to survive in anaerobic areas - though not sure about that myself. If there are anaerobic areas in your sand./rock, that could be an issue. Generally its best to just avoid rock/sand in a QT tank

 

[larrysaltisfun]

Thank you, Jay and MN

well-known persona or not ( lol) I listen to you and the other fish medics here on. R2R and I appreciate your time and expertise