Quarantine with European available medications

[Erik the Red]

Any idea @Jay Hemdal?
also the gramma doesn’t have not much appetite.
I did a 20% water changes

i can’t understand what’s going on

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I'm not sure either. Can you post a video of the gramma?

Jay

 

[Erik the Red]

Lights are off now.
Gramma is hiding/resting behind that pipe most of the day and sometimes swims. Not much appetite

Cardinal did not eat in the last 3-4 days. He used to be a bulldozer when feeding baby artemias.

Midas blenny also doesn’t have much appetite.

I’ve been feeding regularly.

Video 3
Video 2
Video 1

 

[Erik the Red]

Now there a link to the videos

 

[Erik the Red]

I'm not sure either. Can you post a video of the gramma?

Jay

Now that lights are off, he’s swimming around a bit more…

 

[Erik the Red]

I put him down, was so close to death I could not see him suffering like that.

is it flukes right?

Beginning of freshwater dip

end of freshwater dip

I've just got a brand new 40L tank for QT.
what should i do now with the other 2 fishes?


1-freshwater dip
2-move in new QT
3-start a new treatment with esha gdex? (Sera tremazol not available here)

Should I leave a few days to fishes to gain more appetite due to praziquantel or should I start straight away with the treatment?

I must clean all the equipment with warm water and bleach correct?

thank you @Jay Hemdal

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I put him down, was so close to death I could not see him suffering like that.

is it flukes right?

Beginning of freshwater dip

end of freshwater dip

I've just got a brand new 40L tank for QT.
what should i do now with the other 2 fishes?


1-freshwater dip
2-move in new QT
3-start a new treatment with esha gdex? (Sera tremazol not available here)

Should I leave a few days to fishes to gain more appetite due to praziquantel or should I start straight away with the treatment?

I must clean all the equipment with warm water and bleach correct?

thank you @Jay Hemdal

Sorry to hear.

Did you see any tiny flukes in the bottom of the dip container?

I wonder if waiting a few days for the two fish to stabilize might be best.

Bleach in freshwater is good to sterilize, but tricky to do - you need 5.25% sodium hypochlorite bleach with no perfumes or soaps. You don’t want to use too much bleach - 200 ppm is fine. I’m on my phone though and can’t calculate that.

Jay

 

[Erik the Red]

Sorry to hear.

Did you see any tiny flukes in the bottom of the dip container?

I wonder if waiting a few days for the two fish to stabilize might be best.

Bleach in freshwater is good to sterilize, but tricky to do - you need 5.25% sodium hypochlorite bleach with no perfumes or soaps. You don’t want to use too much bleach - 200 ppm is fine. I’m on my phone though and can’t calculate that.

Jay

Unfortunately I had no dark bottom container to notice at potential flukes.
I only noticed these white dots appering on the fish at the end of the bath. It was a young specimen, so was quite tiny.

I’ll start moving the gramma and blenny to the new tank, then I’ll see from there how it goes in the next couple of days. I want to see if they gain more appetite by avoiding having Prazi in the water.

thank you so much for the help!

I wish you a nice weekend!

 

[bertshaft]

Hi there
Sorry to hear about your fish . As already stated fluke solve has parziquantel in . EBay or Amazon. You can also get power copper off the above sites in the uk . Bit expensive though. I’ve just started marine again after a long break and a lots changed so not the best font of knowledge.I’m presuming your in the uk or Eu . This is a great site but it seems some of the best tried and tested cures and with the most information on are only available in the us , not readability available here in the uk .Not much help to you now I know but it might be worth tracking some down now so you have it in stock if you need it later . Hope your fish get better.

 

[Erik the Red]

Day 3 into the second treatment with gdex (66mg praziquantel pr. 1ml)

100L/h airstone blowing into the tank


both gramma and midas blenny didn’t eat much in the last couple days and look lethargic, breathing hard.

Today they looked more lethargic than usual. The midas not moving at all, breathing hard, just resting on the bottom, while the gramma was showing up in front of the midas with full extended fins. Then, in a few minutes, the gramma passed from swimming to stay almost into the overflow’s comb not moving at all.
Now, I transferred them from the QT where they were to another 40L tank also set-up for QT.

They’re both hiding in the corners and look very scared (but thats OK). Still lethargic.

I took a close-up picture to the gramma. Look at the belly and the rear fin!

I don’t know what has happened. The whole QT process was:

6 weeks in QT no treatment
21 days of copper (cupramine 0.58ppm)
4 days with esha gdex (66mg praziquantel pr 1ml)
Water change, then another 3 days with esha gdex


I thought that would have covered all diseases….Did I do anything wrong?!

 

[Erik the Red]

Midas blenny
Gramma loreto

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Day 3 into the second treatment with gdex (66mg praziquantel pr. 1ml)

100L/h airstone blowing into the tank


both gramma and midas blenny didn’t eat much in the last couple days and look lethargic, breathing hard.

Today they looked more lethargic than usual. The midas not moving at all, breathing hard, just resting on the bottom, while the gramma was showing up in front of the midas with full extended fins. Then, in a few minutes, the gramma passed from swimming to stay almost into the overflow’s comb not moving at all.
Now, I transferred them from the QT where they were to another 40L tank also set-up for QT.

They’re both hiding in the corners and look very scared (but thats OK). Still lethargic.

I took a close-up picture to the gramma. Look at the belly and the rear fin!

I don’t know what has happened. The whole QT process was:

6 weeks in QT no treatment
21 days of copper (cupramine 0.58ppm)
4 days with esha gdex (66mg praziquantel pr 1ml)
Water change, then another 3 days with esha gdex


I thought that would have covered all diseases….Did I do anything wrong?!

This quarantine regimen covers most of the highly communicable diseases, perhaps 80%. Brooklynella and some rare microsporidians, internal fungus, etc. are not covered.

In looking at the gramma though, its tail damage is from another fish biting it, probably the midas blenny.

Jay

 

[Erik the Red]

This quarantine regimen covers most of the highly communicable diseases, perhaps 80%. Brooklynella and some rare microsporidians, internal fungus, etc. are not covered.

In looking at the gramma though, its tail damage is from another fish biting it, probably the midas blenny.

Jay

the midas is going…

what’s the black spot around the belly? Worms or other diseases?

 

[Erik the Red]

I’m treating with Hexamor from Aquarium Munster, but I doubt any fish will survive.

they died one after each other. I have no words…

 

[Jay Hemdal]

the midas is going…

what’s the black spot around the belly? Worms or other diseases?

That looks like bile staining at the blennies vent. That can indicate liver disease or starvation.

Jay

 

[Erik the Red]

It hasn‘t been eating in the last days! Was eating and spitting out what would have eaten until the day before.

fishes haven’t been hungry, but used to be voracious while doing the copper treatmen…

anything I can do?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

It hasn‘t been eating in the last days! Was eating and spitting out what would have eaten until the day before.

fishes haven’t been hungry, but used to be voracious while doing the copper treatmen…

anything I can do?

I went back and re-read this thread. It appears that the issues began when you dosed the praziquantel? As I said, I've never used their product, but the similar product in the US, Prazipro, doesn't have that sort of reaction.

Jay

 

[Erik the Red]

Yes, that is correct.
I had a similar death in the very beginning, a clown goby dying a few weeks into QT, right before starting the copper treatment.

The midas just passed away. I'm now resigned to loose the gramma as well.

This is now:



Same fish 2 days ago



Also those new white spots on top are aggression signs?
It cant be flukes, as flukes are transparent, correct?

this whole situation is driving me crazy.

Once the gramma dies, I’ll disinfect the whole tank with alcohol and let it dry for a while, before starting it again.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Yes, Flukes are transparent, but the damage that they do can sometimes be seen - making the fish look "tattered".

Jay

 

[Erik the Red]

It’s so sad for the fishes and annoying.
I’ll disinfect the QT tank once the gramma passes away, then I hope for a good start in the future when I’ll buy new fishes.

Thank you so much everyone and especially you, Jay, for the great help you have provided in these weeks.
I really appreciate it.