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man. reading this thread has me sweating bullets. like, all my excitement has literally sizzled away. I ordered my first two saltwater fish ever this past Friday from LA Diver's Den - two Dot Clowns. our 100g WB is brand new and cycling with Fritz/Dr.Tims. we bought the tank (our first saltwater) specifically to have Nemo. now, after reading this, i feel very ill prepared for when these two clownfish get here tomorrow morning. i guess i'll just have to hope they live.
are velvet/ich/other diseases really more rampant right now than in years past? am i just totally screwed > we have no quarantine tank as these are our first ever fish....hell, we don't even have a fully cycled system....geeez. what a downer thread-read.
anybody have suggestions on what i should with these clowns arriving by 10:30 in the morning?
i was reading this thread and wondered when i would see the TTM for velvet. i just did this for a batch of fish. Will see how it goes. i used a fan to make sure each tank and equipment was completely dry for 24 hours. i used air stones and just threw them away after transfer.Here are some tank-transfer-method (TTM) options for velvet:
TTM for velvet - https://humble.fish/ttm-for-velvet/ - honestly, I did not know this was a thing. It looks like it would require at least 3 containers to give everything time to dry, perhaps 4 to make cleaning easier. And quite a bit of saltwater, particularly if you're treating larger fish. I think a 20-long is the sweet spot for a TTM tank for large fish, I don't see the benefit of a 29 over a 20-long since they have the same footprint. Regardless, the space you need is only enough for two tanks, so approximately 24"x30" or 12"x60" since only two will be running at any given time. If you were someone that was bringing in many fish fairly often, building a stand for two of these tanks seems like it would be ideal. 7 total tanks full of water, so you're looking at 140g of salt water at 1.021...like 3 bags of plain jane IO, or in other words approximately $20-30 for the peace of mind that you didn't sit your fish in toxic chemicals for 2-4 weeks, regardless of their prevalence of use at LFS (who commonly run less-than-therapeutic levels, like .35). Worth it for some, not for others. But this answers the OPs question.
Experimental TTM with peroxide - https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/hybrid-ttm-to-treat-all-parasites.640247/ - if this works, it would be quite a bit easier than the "TTM for velvet" option since transfers would be less frequent and uses about half the water.
Chemical treatments
Velvet - https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/ - notice CP is preferred over copper
Ich - https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ich-cryptocaryon-irritans.191226/ - treatments include TTM, CP, copper, or hyposalinity, in order of my preference...personally I'd rather use CP or copper over hypo since there are some reports of ich surviving hypo. If you're treating velvet with CP or copper it'll snag ich as well.
CP discussions, including where to buy:
Chloroquine phosphate where to buy it??
So, I called a bunch of local vets here in the Sacramento area where I live and I can't seem to get any vet to prescribe me Chloroquine phosphate after I explained that they are for marine fish, etc etc.. they need me to "bring in the patient/animal" in order to prescribe it.. Where the heck can...www.reef2reef.comChloroquine phosphate
Chloroquine Phosphate *** The information contained here is subject to changes as I experiment and learn more about Chloroquine Phosphate *** What It Treats – Marine Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans), Marine Velvet Disease (Amyloodinium ocellatum), Brooklynella hostilis and Uronema marinum. How To...www.reef2reef.com
Yes, they are coming from Divers Den, but they are an ORA "retired broodstock pair"...Are your clowns coming from a dedicated captive bred system? If so, no real need to qt with any meds. Just do not mix any wild with captive bred. This will cause problems as captive bred cannot handle the diseases of the wild.
I use the same 5G buckets I have on hand from multiple salt purchases to do TTM. Hardly what anyone would call a "tank".
Velvet is the only sickness I can't seem to kick and its a nightmare because it can take two weeks to show its ugly head. I freshwater dip and then prazi pro bath for a few hours before my fish go in an isolation tank. 95% of the time it works great except now I have two imperator angels in copper with velvet. And why it it is so important to not drop new fish into a display. And everyone there are always two ways to skin a cat (yes I am old) Harpooning each other doesn't help this site, nor does it prove anything.are velvet/ich/other diseases really more rampant right now than in years past? am i just totally screwed > we have no quarantine tank as these are our first ever fish....hell, we don't even have a fully cycled system....geeez. what a downer thread-read.
The science behind TTM is that no free swimmers (theronts/dinospores) will ever be in the ttm tote water. In theory, one could reuse the water between transfers because you assume that the parasite drops off the fish (trophont) immediately into the container and encysts (tomont) into a hard surface (ie the container or tote) at the 0 minute mark each time they're transferred. The time left in the container is short enough that no encysted parasite (tomont) will have had sufficient time to hatch into a theront/dinospore. For ich, they stay in the tomont phase for 72 hours, for velvet 48 hours (see https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/tank-transfer-method.192655/page-12).How do you get the fish out of one tote and get every bit of the water off and out of the fish from the tote you’re taking it out of? Even a single drop of water and in theory even the water in the gills could transfer ich to the new tote.
Is there a fresh water dip or a interim dip in clean fresh saltwater between totes?
Tank transfer only works for ich, not velvet. FYITank Transfer Method! No copper needed.
See my reply, this is no longer the case.Tank transfer only works for ich, not velvet. FYI
I don't believe any of those treatments work for ich/velvet. They work for other infections/issues. Maybe @Humblefish can chime in a clear some of the mis info in this thread.Copper is poision and can hurt fish long term. There are lots of us that are looking for places that don't use copper for this reason. For those saying nothing but copper and cp work please update your info as there are lots of things that work now. To name a few:
metroplex and KanaPlex™ with focus
prazipro
paraguard
copper should be reserved for fish on deaths door due to how much damage it can do to the fish long term.
You did read that humblefish said that ttm ONLY works for ich, right? It's in the first few sentences of that thread.See my reply, this is no longer the case.
You did read that humblefish said that ttm ONLY works for ich, right? It's in the first few sentences of that thread.