Rant... I hate the direction the hobby has gone

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I am not trying to be overly negative or elitist. And I certainly could be wrong about some things. But I honestly hate the direction this industry/hobby has gone in the past 6-8 years. I have been in the hobby for over 15 years and I feel like things have degraded considerably...

1. Quality of information. This is by far my biggest complaint! I am so sick and tired of bs fish influencers that come on YouTube and think they know ball. The content is mostly slop and has very little value. I am sure there are good YouTubers, but when i got into this hobby, the best source was a good book. Especially if you are just starting out. I am not aware of any QUALITY books that have been released in the past 5 years(please let me know that I am wrong, I really hope that I am). Most recs I have seen for books still recommend books that are over 10 years old. We have way better technology, it would be nice if someone credible could discuss how to use it.

2. Availability of livestock. We all know the Hawaii closure was a massive blow to the hobby. Other closures like Indo torches, or Fiji liverock have been significant as well but the lack of diversity seems to be increasing. What bothers me though, is that there seems to be a huge lack of cohesion in this industry to fight legislation. In the reptile world, this is a huge part of the hobby and it has faired(mostly) positive. Organizations like PIJAC have luckily done a lot but the average aquarium owner seems to be blissfully unaware or unbothered by possible legal issues. Talk to the bird people about the Wild Bird Conservation Act and see how well things worked out for them. Better yet, read about the proposed Saving Nemo Act...

3. The decline in worthwhile events. Ever since MACNA's dissolution, there have been only a couple remaining events. MACNA was so special since it was the yearly "state of the hobby" if you will. We got to see new product releases, crazy imports, and meet influential figures in the industry. There was also an education component where scientists presented research and we got to hear seminars from credible people. Now, events are numerous and decentralized to extract as much money from the vendors and attendees as possible. Aquashella, is targeted to beginner hobbyists and gives their speaking engagements to Aquarium Influencers that have really no value besides their name recognition(sorry not sorry). That isn't to say that these events don't have a place in the community, I think its good there is a beginner friendly conference people can go to and learn more about the hobby. But an event that is catered towards advanced hobbyists is desperately needed.

4. Named corals, defective products, and general shadiness. Those of us who have been around long enough remember when a coral was the name of its species. Naming a coral some stupid name then selling a quarter inch frag for 80 bucks is ridiculous. I understand why vendors do it. If I had a shop I'd do it too. But it is frustrating nonetheless. Companies like Red Sea that charge astronomical amounts of money for tanks that are known to leak(go find the dozens of threads including mine talking about it) and then seemingly do nothing to resolve the problem is incredibly discouraging. Look at the LiveAquaria debacle. That company use to be the face of the industry. If you wanted online fish that were gonna get there healthy, that was the place. But after corporate buyouts, the company withered away rife with scandals. I am tired of overpriced crap that breaks. I am tired of livestock that arrives half-dead. I am tired of lies and deceit from companies that I have spent THOUSANDS with.


I just had to vent. I hope that our industry shapes up before its too late. I am a young guy in my 20s. I worry greatly about where the hobby will be in 10-20 years if it is around at all. Hopefully we can make things better and begin to actually fix some of the issues that this industry has...
 
Unfortunately the only choice is to adapt if you don't want to leave the hobby. There have been a lot of improvement as well so that can't go unnoticed especially in care of the organisms and fish health. A lot of past beliefs have been proven false and better methods have become acceptable.

I'm totally with you though as the hobby has evolved into a "collectors" market like shoes, and designer products. I remember when the word "frag' was not known in the hobby. What we call colonies today are what you bought and you paid on average $40.
 
Unfortunately the only choice is to adapt if you don't want to leave the hobby.

Actually, this could not be further from the truth. Control what you can, ignore the noise. Simple as that.

I'm totally with you though as the hobby has evolved into a "collectors" market like shoes, and designer products. I remember when the word "frag' was not known in the hobby. What we call colonies today are what you bought and you paid on average $40.

We can thank social media and the side hustle for this. I'll add in a pinch of ignorance on the hobbyist.
 
What happened to the reefing hobby is simply capitalism IMO. When profit is the number one goal and big corporations move in, we get what we have today. Look at who owns Exotech, Aquaillumination, BRS and others. It’s all the same big corporation
 
Actually, this could not be further from the truth. Control what you can, ignore the noise. Simple as that.

I don't know, I was referring to pricing mostly and that's not something that we can control fairly easily as consumers when every LFS has adapted to the new model and so has online vendors. Your only option is local reefers and clubs if you can swing that. It's not as easy or simple as it once was in that regard.
 
1. Quality of information. This is by far my biggest complaint! I am so sick and tired of bs fish influencers that come on YouTube and think they know ball. The content is mostly slop and has very little value. I am sure there are good YouTubers, but when i got into this hobby, the best source was a good book. Especially if you are just starting out. I am not aware of any QUALITY books that have been released in the past 5 years(please let me know that I am wrong, I really hope that I am). Most recs I have seen for books still recommend books that are over 10 years old. We have way better technology, it would be nice if someone credible could discuss how to use it.

Pick up some books. Read archived articles such as advanced aquarist or reef central.


2. Availability of livestock. We all know the Hawaii closure was a massive blow to the hobby. Other closures like Indo torches, or Fiji liverock have been significant as well but the lack of diversity seems to be increasing. What bothers me though, is that there seems to be a huge lack of cohesion in this industry to fight legislation. In the reptile world, this is a huge part of the hobby and it has faired(mostly) positive. Organizations like PIJAC have luckily done a lot but the average aquarium owner seems to be blissfully unaware or unbothered by possible legal issues. Talk to the bird people about the Wild Bird Conservation Act and see how well things worked out for them. Better yet, read about the proposed Saving Nemo Act...

What is it you are looking for that any of the closures you noted prevent it? Fiji is starting to open. Closures may not be a bad thing if we look at the bigger picture. As I noted earlier, ignore the noise.

3. The decline in worthwhile events. Ever since MACNA's dissolution, there have been only a couple remaining events.

Sounds like Reefstock may be up your ally.

4. Named corals, defective products, and general shadiness.

Ignore boutiques and named corals. Products, onus is always on the hobbyist to do their research before purchase. This hobby is market driven and akin to men's health or vitamin supplements. I didn't even add in the hobbyist personal bias.
 
Books are dead in every industry. They aren’t going to magically come back for this one.

Conferences are also slowing substantially in every industry. Not just this one. RAP Orlando is the replacement to MACNA in my opinion.

Coral names? That horse is already beaten enough. It’s not going away. Complain all you want, it’s here to stay. Sorry not sorry.

This hobby has had deceit and lies for decades. Ever read some of the claims of the old additives? This is nothing new.
 
Books are dead in every industry. They aren’t going to magically come back for this one.

Conferences are also slowing substantially in every industry. Not just this one. RAP Orlando is the replacement to MACNA in my opinion.

Coral names? That horse is already beaten enough. It’s not going away. Complain all you want, it’s here to stay. Sorry not sorry.

This hobby has had deceit and lies for decades. Ever read some of the claims of the old additives? This is nothing new.
Yeah thats all true. Doesn't mean its a good thing... RAP orlando is a decent expo though
 
Pick up some books. Read archived articles such as advanced aquarist or reef central.




What is it you are looking for that any of the closures you noted prevent it? Fiji is starting to open. Closures may not be a bad thing if we look at the bigger picture. As I noted earlier, ignore the noise.



Sounds like Reefstock may be up your ally.



Ignore boutiques and named corals. Products, onus is always on the hobbyist to do their research before purchase. This hobby is market driven and akin to men's health or vitamin supplements. I didn't even add in the hobbyist personal bias.
My point is that there haven't been any new books. I want to check out ReefStock Denver, I have heard good things. I went to the Chattanooga one and it was a big let down.
 
I think the quality of information is still there.....there is just so much more information available that you have to know what is quality and what isn't. People of all expert levels have the ability to post information....which can be good and bad. Check out coral magazine if you are looking for a good publication.

I disagree on availability of livestock just due to local reefers fragging coral and the ever growing list of fish being captive bred.

I do agree on the decline of events....even though I never went to any of them lol.
 
The first real tank I started was in 1987. At that time you had to travel far and wide to buy live stock and equipment, I lived at Lake Tahoe.

Today everything you could ever want is at your fingertips. You can go budget or high end state of the art.

You can chose picos or monster tanks, there is a size for everyone.
Gone are the days of wet dry filter, undergravel filters. Only one choice of saltmix, it was Instant Ocean.

Today the frags are small and the prices outrageous for some coral types, but the selection is awesome.

I loved MH, but I am thrilled with LED, no heat and once purchased significantly cheaper to run, NO CHILLER!

To behold the evolution of the science as it relates to the hobby is amazing. Never in a million years did I think I would dose Ammonium Bicarbonate or Phosphates.

I do VERY much miss the books. 😔
We have so many great resources now though.

Don't get me started about shopping on line. Even someone like me that lives 50 miles from a small city with limited resources can get everything my heart desires.
 
A lot of past beliefs have been proven false and better methods have become acceptable.
Curious if you could list some?

I feel like things have degraded considerably
Overall I think the hobby is fine, somethings are better from example: I had the first Neptune Aquacontroller in 2000 and it worked, however the new Apex I got last year is a huge improvement. Berghia N. destroyed my aiptasia problem, 10 years ago not sure I remember hearing about them?

I still use Julian Sprung books and some others and the information is still perfectly relevant and outstanding.
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A lot of past beliefs have been proven false and better methods have become acceptable.
Curious if you could list some?

I feel like things have degraded considerably
Overall I think the hobby is fine, somethings are better from example: I had the first Neptune Aquacontroller in 2000 and it worked, however the new Apex I got last year is a huge improvement. Berghia N. destroyed my aiptasia problem, 10 years ago not sure I remember hearing about them?

I still use Julian Sprung books and some others and the information is still perfectly relevant and outstanding.
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0 No3 and 0 Po4 are not a good thing... Ammonia is not as dangerous as we believed, we now dose it, etc etc...
 
There has been noise and snake oil since the first salesman was created.

Magazine contributors and book authors were like YouTubers - many just filling up content with BS to get paid or be noticed. The medium has changed, but not the message has not.

Coral names? I don't really know any, and I have decades in the hobby. I ignore them, not out of spite or disdain, but simply because I don't care in the slightest.

Shopping? There was a day when the LFS didn't carry anything and mail-order was the game. Now we order online and have a much better selection from the LFS.

So there is good and bad, but my advice is to just do your thing.
 
0 No3 and 0 Po4 are not a good thing... Ammonia is not as dangerous as we believed, we now dose it, etc etc...
Maybe you discovered those things, but it is well documented in Sprung’s book published in 1994 that corals need no3 and po4. Ammonia use in reef environments and aquariums was taught to me around 1979.
 
Ok, I challenge you. A wise guy once said instead of restating the problem bring a solution. So I challenge you, bring something that improves the hobby. Create a website that carries only good, valid and well researched info.(Think Wet Web Media, RIP Bob Fenner ). Help promote good resources or a good vendor/s. Think Angie's list. Your right, we do need to improve so help us do just that.
 
Maybe you discovered those things, but it is well documented in Sprung’s book published in 1994 that corals need no3 and po4. Ammonia use in reef environments and aquariums was taught to me around 1979.

These things were new to me when forums began popping up and information was so much more readily available thanks to the internet, no one I knew preached otherwise so unless you read the book you did not know. I'm going to say this is local community dependent as well, we all learned through trial and error and books just did not come up in my "circle", it was not intentional but I'm sure we would have had a much easier time back then. If you asked me who Julian Sprung was at that time I'd be clueless (obviously no disrespect).
 
My point is that there haven't been any new books. I want to check out ReefStock Denver, I have heard good things. I went to the Chattanooga one and it was a big let down.

I actually had the wrong name, I'm sorry. I meant Reef Retreat which is hosted at the Roger Williams University in Bristol, Rhode Island.
 

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