Settings up refugium

[BryanM]

No I have not. I will do some research

So I liked the idea because I didn;t like the sprawl most fuges end up in.

Santa Monica makes a variety of them, i personally use a Surf4. I just started on my journey with it, but there's several members with them for years and absolutely swear by them.

I would note if you do change course, be prepared for the initial setup time (to grow the algae), for me was almost 2 months long, and many people quit before its working properly.

 

[theMeat]

So I liked the idea because I didn;t like the sprawl most fuges end up in.

Santa Monica makes a variety of them, i personally use a Surf4. I just started on my journey with it, but there's several members with them for years and absolutely swear by them.

I would note if you do change course, be prepared for the initial setup time (to grow the algae), for me was almost 2 months long, and many people quit before its working properly.

“Sprawl” ?

 

[Doctorgori]

For my clarification, you have 8 lights on your sump/sumps? So the ebay or Amazon 20.00 are ok?

Sorta, I have them spread around: I have 1 in that Tunze "macro reactor" thingamajig , 2 of the refugium "blurple" color on my 900XXL sump and 5ea about to light up a euphyllia "recovery" tank ...
just my opinion but yeah you can get away cheaper with a $20 Sino Amazon light

 

[Signalhead]

Sorta, I have them spread around: I have 1 in that Tunze "macro reactor" thingamajig , 2 of the refugium "blurple" color on my 900XXL sump and 5ea about to light up a euphyllia "recovery" tank ...
just my opinion but yeah you can get away cheaper with a $20 Sino Amazon light

I figured you have few tanks. Just wanted to make sure.

 

[theMeat]

6500k is fine. A simple Par38 screw in bulb will work.
Sand and mud do the same thing in terms of creating anaerobic areas that consume nitrates. With mud you can get that in 2 inches depth., With sand you’d need upwards of 4”, preferably 6. . Mud also adds trace elements slowly. Personally mix sand and mud together and make it 3-4 inches.
Ceramic bio blocks, balls, whatever are highly porous which is good, but IME they fall apart and start to crumble into mush when handled. At least that was my experience with Marinepure. Rock rubble or seachem matrix is a better choice.
You can add snails but you’d want to keep them out of pumps.

Couple of ….
IME was growing grape caulerpa like crazy with par38 bulbs for a few of years. Decided to upgrade my lights. Bought an Amazon version similar to the Menards light op posted above. To my amazement within a few months started to see cheato starting to dominate and didn’t even know where the cheato came from since I didn’t knowingly put any cheato in, nor ever saw it before i changed the lights.
Another thing is flow. Found slower flow in fuge gave debris a place settle. That kept my water clearer, then gave up socks and rinsing them every 3-4 days. Don’t miss that. That was over 10 years ago. On a newish tank socks is a good idea.
If your fuge is inbetween the skimmer and the return pump chamber you can increase or decrease flow in the middle/fuge chamber by using you uv/phosphate pumps. Put the uv pump in the return chamber dumping into the first/skimmer and you increase the flow. Put the uv pump in the skimmer section, bypassing the fuge and dumping directly into return chamber lows the flow. On that front will add you should consider combining your phosgard and uv onto one single pump to avoid unneeded pump heat.
It’s a good idea to have a coarse sponge or screen between the fuge section and the return section. That will need regular cleaning.
Running your fuge light schedule opposite your display tank lights will help with ph swings at night when lights go out. This is true for refugium or algae scrubber lights.
An algae scrubber will remove more nitrates and aerate the water much better than a fuge. ATS will also need to be cleaned/ harvested more frequently. Personally like a fuge for it’s added diversity and it’s not like you cannot add an ATS also, if you have a fuge and want to, or need to, lower nitrates further without water changes.

 

[Signalhead]

6500k is fine. A simple Par38 screw in bulb will work.
Sand and mud do the same thing in terms of creating anaerobic areas that consume nitrates. With mud you can get that in 2 inches depth., With sand you’d need upwards of 4”, preferably 6. . Mud also adds trace elements slowly. Personally mix sand and mud together and make it 3-4 inches.
Ceramic bio blocks, balls, whatever are highly porous which is good, but IME they fall apart and start to crumble into mush when handled. At least that was my experience with Marinepure. Rock rubble or seachem matrix is a better choice.
You can add snails but you’d want to keep them out of pumps.

Couple of ….
IME was growing grape caulerpa like crazy with par38 bulbs for a few of years. Decided to upgrade my lights. Bought an Amazon version similar to the Menards light op posted above. To my amazement within a few months started to see cheato starting to dominate and didn’t even know where the cheato came from since I didn’t knowingly put any cheato in, nor ever saw it before i changed the lights.
Another thing is flow. Found slower flow in fuge gave debris a place settle. That kept my water clearer, then gave up socks and rinsing them every 3-4 days. Don’t miss that. That was over 10 years ago. On a newish tank socks is a good idea.
If your fuge is inbetween the skimmer and the return pump chamber you can increase or decrease flow in the middle/fuge chamber by using you uv/phosphate pumps. Put the uv pump in the return chamber dumping into the first/skimmer and you increase the flow. Put the uv pump in the skimmer section, bypassing the fuge and dumping directly into return chamber lows the flow. On that front will add you should consider combining your phosgard and uv onto one single pump to avoid unneeded pump heat.
It’s a good idea to have a coarse sponge or screen between the fuge section and the return section. That will need regular cleaning.
Running your fuge light schedule opposite your display tank lights will help with ph swings at night when lights go out. This is true for refugium or algae scrubber lights.
An algae scrubber will remove more nitrates and aerate the water much better than a fuge. ATS will also need to be cleaned/ harvested more frequently. Personally like a fuge for it’s added diversity and it’s not like you cannot add an ATS also, if you have a fuge and want to, or need to, lower nitrates further without water changes.

Bunch of good information, I'm still reading about the topic. I just want to do it once. Im the type of person that don't like to experiment with things. I do appreciate all the good information

 

[Signalhead]

Good afternoon, first thing I like to tank you guys four your input. It has challenged me to read, I don't remember the half of it but here we go, you guys have help me and I will be going with the refugium set up. I will be ordering the mud light tonight. I have an old jebao that I will be using for the circulating pump. So this weekend i will do a water change but this time will clean the sump instead of changing water in the tank, and once all is ready i get me some grape caulerpa, maybe some dragon breath and see what happens. I feel that will be the easiest for my to do.

I thank you again for taking the time

 

[theMeat]

Sounds like a solid plan. Plan on letting water in refugium sit without movement for a few hours at least, to let everything settle and water clears up. Then turn on pump.
A good trick to put mud, then use a big plate of sorts to cover the mud and pour water onto the plate so you don’t mix up the mud
Post up some pics

 

[Signalhead]

Sounds like a solid plan. Plan on letting water in refugium sit without movement for a few hours at least, to let everything settle and water clears up. Then turn on pump.
A good trick to put mud, then use a big plate of sorts to cover the mud and pour water onto the plate do you don’t mix up the mud
Post up some pics

Definitely I let the water sit fo a while. The refugium space is only 15 gallons so I figured i can make 40 to 45 gallons and be safe.