Soching Oxydator tests.

[atoll]

Sooooo, I filled my Oxydator W with 9% peroxide down from 12% with 2 catalysts. However this time I sat the bell only inverted on a plate I watched as about 10mil of peroxide quickly dripped out then seemed to stop.
I put it into the sump and I could see fine bubbles coming out of the Oxydator.
As before I closely observed my corals and in particular my nems which this time showed no adverse reaction to the inclusion of the Oxydator.
Perhaps it was the initial approximately 10mil of the 12% peroxide that was the reason my nems reacted adversely when I put it in the sump. I guess the only way to find out is to fill the bell with 12% peroxide and let it drip out 10mil before putting it into the beaker and fitting it into the sump.

 

[Steve2020]

Sooooo, I filled my Oxydator W with 9% peroxide down from 12% with 2 catalysts. However this time I sat the bell only inverted on a plate I watched as about 10mil of peroxide quickly dripped out then seemed to stop.
I put it into the sump and I could see fine bubbles coming out of the Oxydator.
As before I closely observed my corals and in particular my nems which this time showed no adverse reaction to the inclusion of the Oxydator.
Perhaps it was the initial approximately 10mil of the 12% peroxide that was the reason my nems reacted adversely when I put it in the sump. I guess the only way to find out is to fill the bell with 12% peroxide and let it drip out 10mil before putting it into the beaker and fitting it into the sump.

This is good to know. I will have to see if this happens with mine once my peroxide shows up. 10mil @ 12% or even 9% is a lot for your size tank. Mine is 255gal total water volume so I may be OK but why take the chance. I will be starting with 9% with 2 catalysts.

 

[atoll]

This is good to know. I will have to see if this happens with mine once my peroxide shows up. 10mil @ 12% or even 9% is a lot for your size tank. Mine is 255gal total water volume so I may be OK but why take the chance. I will be starting with 9% with 2 catalysts.

One thing I noticed many years ago is that what % peroxide and number of catalysts to eventually achieve at some point as the water cleans up you may find one day things change.

By that I mean what might be fine for quite sometime it might not be sometime later abd a negative reaction might take place.

This only tends to happen with high concentrations of peroxide and or numbers of catalysts. However, you will find your own tanks balance of peroxide and number of catalysts after a while for the model.of Oxydator you are using.

 

[taricha]

Quote
"The conclusion is that hydrogen peroxide breaks down faster in the presence of organic material, and this releases oxygen."

Which is exactly what the Oxydator is designed to do.

yep. This is probably true (organics in the aquarium break down the released H2O2 rendering the ongoing concentration essentially zero), but not a guarantee.
I'd guess if what comes out is around ~1ppm per day or less then it probably does get broken down to essentially zero in a tank. But if it's 10ppm per day then probably not.
Check out how Dan's petri dish full of GHA covered in 1L of water at ~1.5ppm h2o2 still had detectable peroxide 24 hr later....

The final test used a GHA culture similar to the one used in the first experiment, but submerged in 1 L of medium to dramatically increase the the exposure time to hydrogen peroxide. The plot below shows the hydrogen peroxide concentration after a daily dose. Unlike the previous experiments, hydrogen peroxide was present throughout the day. The experiment was dosed daily for five days. The before and after photographs below provide no visual evidence of an effect on day 6.

BEFORE

AFTER

My guess is some people using the oxydator will have essentially zero H2O2 in their water - a small amount is released and it is constantly reacted away, but others may have ongoing detectable h2o2 in their system 24/7 like @Lasse did/does. That also might be desirable - Lasse likes it that way. But I think either test strips or sensitive organisms should be watched because there's no guarantee it's zero.

 

[Robert Ranciato]

I like this and will be following.

It seems more people employ oxydators where you’re at (Europe) than where I am (USA). I’m not sure why they are not used more here.

What do they do??

 

[Steve2020]

I like this and will be following.

It seems more people employ oxydators where you’re at (Europe) than where I am (USA). I’m not sure why they are not used more here.

I talked with William from TheShrimpTank in New Mexico and he told me over the last couple of years he has seen an increase in reef tank owners purchasing these Oxydator's especially the "E" size. He seems to be the primary distributor of these here in the US at least the one that has them in stock most of the time.
After doing a lot of research on products prior to my reef tank build, IMO the Europeans seemed to be ahead of the US in a lot of areas ( not all ) in reef keeping. At least initially. Look at all the equipment and additives manufactures in the European countries. It surprised the heck out of me. Example: lets take a look at two of the most popular aquarium controllers in the world wide market, Apex & Profilux. Most people in the US would think that Neptune Systems was the pioneer in aquarium controllers. NOPE! The first Apex came out in 2009 and the GHL Profilux has been around since 2001. GHL products are extremely popular in Europe and Asia from what I have read. Because it is made in a different country we just did not hear much about it until a few years back. Now more and more people are looking into the Profilux over other Controllers. IMO because of this forum and the Oxydator Facebook page more reefer's may be giving the Sochting Oxydator a try. Seems to be a lot of interest in them. I received mine yesterday and waiting for the peroxide to arrive hopefully tomorrow or Monday and I will be giving it a try.

 

[atoll]

I have been singing the virtues of Oxydators for around 40 years now. Myself and a friend stumbled across them one day in a small LFS who got one in for a discus keeper. We decided to experiment with them in our reef tanks and I documented our findings.
We could find absolutely nothing about them ever being used in saltwater systems at the time not in any periodical.
Some years back I started a number of threads on various Internet and Facebook clubs Inc Nanoreefs, Ultimatereef and later on here among a few others. I was often scoffed at and got comments like "snake oil and if they are so good why aren't more people using them" etc.
I wrote a piece on Oxydator's for Albert Thiel's book Nano Reef Aquarium. I had sent Albert an Oxydator D some time previously and he was so taken with it he asked me to do a piece for his book.

Pre internet I wrote about them in the B.M.A.A journal Marinews.
40 years is a long time right. Probably longer than most reading this have been on the earth, not that it matters much but that makes me an old geeza I believe.
Les, aka Atoll, Wilesco, Les M. Les Melling etc depending on the forum or periodical.

 

[Dan_P]

I have been singing the virtues of Oxydators for around 40 years now. Myself and a friend stumbled across them one day in a small LFS who got one in for a discus keeper. We decided to experiment with them in our reef tanks and I documented our findings.
We could find absolutely nothing about them ever being used in saltwater systems at the time not in any periodical.
Some years back I started a number of threads on various Internet and Facebook clubs Inc Nanoreefs, Ultimatereef and later on here among a few others. I was often scoffed at and got comments like "snake oil and if they are so good why aren't more people using them" etc.
I wrote a piece on Oxydator's for Albert Thiel's book Nano Reef Aquarium. I had sent Albert an Oxydator D some time previously and he was so taken with it he asked me to do a piece for his book.

Pre internet I wrote about them in the B.M.A.A journal Marinews.
40 years is a long time right. Probably longer than most reading this have been on the earth, not that it matters much but that makes me an old geeza I believe.
Les, aka Atoll, Wilesco, Les M. Les Melling etc depending on the forum or periodical.

Which reference provides data from controlled experiments that support the various claims about the virtues of the Oxydator?

 

[atoll]

Which reference provides data from controlled experiments that support the various claims about the virtues of the Oxydator?

I only have the years of using Oxydator's in many tanks in that time. I am a simple hobbiest I hope you don't mind.
You will have to forgive me for that. However, in the meantime feel free to dismiss all the anecdotal evidence from so many people over the years as thats all there is to offer.

 

[atoll]

A review which might be of interest to some with results confirmed by many over the years.

Söchting Oxydator In A Saltwater Tank Review

Adding an Oxydator in a saltwater tank has profoundly affected the my systems ability to fight algae, dinoflagellates and cyanobacteria.

www.thesaltyside.com

 

[That Crusso Kid]

What do they do??

@Robert Ranciato - instead of answering your question directly, I’ll refer you to the same article that @atoll shared. Hope this helps!

Söchting Oxydator In A Saltwater Tank Review

Adding an Oxydator in a saltwater tank has profoundly affected the my systems ability to fight algae, dinoflagellates and cyanobacteria.

www.thesaltyside.com

 

[Dan_P]

I only have the years of using Oxydator's in many tanks in that time. I am a simple hobbiest I hope you don't mind.
You will have to forgive me for that. However, in the meantime feel free to dismiss all the anecdotal evidence from so many people over the years as thats all there is to offer.

HaHa, all is forgiven.

If we consider the number of users of human supplements and weight control products, it should be clear that belief in something for a long time is not evidence that the belief is justified.

 

[atoll]

@Robert Ranciato - instead of answering your question directly, I’ll refer you to the same article that @atoll shared. Hope this helps!

Söchting Oxydator In A Saltwater Tank Review

Adding an Oxydator in a saltwater tank has profoundly affected the my systems ability to fight algae, dinoflagellates and cyanobacteria.

www.thesaltyside.com

Unfortunately that will.also be considered anecdotal and not what I suspect will be what

HaHa, all is forgiven.

If we consider the number of users of human supplements and weight control products, it should be clear that belief in something for a long time is not evidence that the belief is justified.

Well, personally and given the numbers who have reported on their use of Oxydator's, I am sure theie is much more than belief with their consistent reports of similar results.
One should never dismiss repeated results all be they not reported under scientific controlled tests.
We are talking about an item that has been in existence for over 40years, quite possibly many more. They have been extensively used all over Europe.

An oxydator can replace an ozoniser along with it's associated control. I replaced my ozoniser with an Oxydator and never looked back.

The Oxydator user group on Facebook is growing by the day with people making substantial claims of the results all be they anecdotal but no less important when so many report similar results.

 

[taricha]

Which reference provides data from controlled experiments that support the various claims about the virtues of the Oxydator?

I'm supposing positive experiences people have with the oxydator are generally in line with the literature on hydrogen peroxide against nuisance organisms.
(at least I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise)

 

[Dan_P]

I'm supposing positive experiences people have with the oxydator are generally in line with the literature on hydrogen peroxide against nuisance organisms.
(at least I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise)

The problem with anecdotal data is that we never see the data when it did not work or provide a miracle cure. It is a one sided story. It is like the many stories over decades, >40 years, about the water from Lourdes helping people, but absolutely no stories or groups claiming that it fails. Ditto for hydrogen peroxide. So, seeing nothing contradictory is exactly what you might expect for a situation where myth might be a stronger explanation than fact.

 

[atoll]

The problem with anecdotal data is that we never see the data when it did not work or provide a miracle cure. It is a one sided story. It is like the many stories over decades, >40 years, about the water from Lourdes helping people, but absolutely no stories or groups claiming that it fails. Ditto for hydrogen peroxide. So, seeing nothing contradictory is exactly what you might expect for a situation where myth might be a stronger explanation than fact.

You never read my failure with increased % of peroxide in my Oxydator W above then.
Fact is used correctly there is little to go wrong. Only by dispensing too much peroxide is there likely to be any kind of failure. One or two have not put the cap on properly but even then nothing was lost and all recovered. Had there been any kind of disasters I am sure I/ we would have heard of them.

 

[Steve2020]

Just received the 35% peroxide and mixed exactly 257ml H2O2 and 743ml RODI to get a 9% mix. Instructions on the "W" say it holds 1000ml and to fill it all the way up. 1000ml leaves an airgap. Is this fine or should I make a little more and top it off?

 

[atoll]

Just received the 35% peroxide and mixed exactly 257ml H2O2 and 743ml RODI to get a 9% mix. Instructions on the "W" say it holds 1000ml and to fill it all the way up. 1000ml leaves an airgap. Is this fine or should I make a little more and top it off?

Nope, don't fill it right up in fact the correct level is just above where the cone starts. If you fill it too much a lot of peroxide might be expelled when first introduced. You need that air gap and maybe a bit more.

 

[robertifly]

I was preparing to load my "A" just now and noticed that one tiny hole open in the end beside the orange plug where the hyd peroxide is put in there seems another that is just indicated but is not open, question is do both supposed to be clearly open or just the one? I don't have a clue since this is my first use of the product, thanks for clarification.

 

[Steve2020]

I was preparing to load my "A" just now and noticed that one tiny hole open in the end beside the orange plug where the hyd peroxide is put in there seems another that is just indicated but is not open, question is do both supposed to be clearly open or just the one? I don't have a clue since this is my first use of the product, thanks for clarification.

Only one tiny hole. The other is a plastic molding nipple created by the manufacturing process. I asked the same question on the Facebook page about my "W". At first I thought it was a defect lol.