Soching Oxydator tests.

[robertifly]

Only one tiny hole. The other is a plastic molding nipple created by the manufacturing process. I asked the same question on the Facebook page about my "W". At first I thought it was a defect lol.

Thank you, I can proceed as planned :)

 

[atoll]

Only one tiny hole. The other is a plastic molding nipple created by the manufacturing process. I asked the same question on the Facebook page about my "W". At first I thought it was a defect lol.

That is correct

 

[slingfox]

I just purchased the "A" model from The Shrimp Tank. I was going to go with an ozone system but my RedSea protein skimmer apparently is not ozone compatible so the cost of a new ozone + ORP controller + skimmer or reactor was cost prohibitive.

The theoretical science here makes sense so I will give the Oxydator a shot!

Question: Has anyone noticed any reduction in fish tank order (similar to what is claimed for ozone)?

 

[atoll]

I just purchased the "A" model from The Shrimp Tank. I was going to go with an ozone system but my RedSea protein skimmer apparently is not ozone compatible so the cost of a new ozone + ORP controller + skimmer or reactor was cost prohibitive.

The theoretical science here makes sense so I will give the Oxydator a shot!

Question: Has anyone noticed any reduction in fish tank order (similar to what is claimed for ozone)?

There is no perceivable odour from the oxydator.

 

[Court_Appointed_Hypeman]

I just purchased the "A" model from The Shrimp Tank. I was going to go with an ozone system but my RedSea protein skimmer apparently is not ozone compatible so the cost of a new ozone + ORP controller + skimmer or reactor was cost prohibitive.

The theoretical science here makes sense so I will give the Oxydator a shot!

Question: Has anyone noticed any reduction in fish tank order (similar to what is claimed for ozone)?

I did notice less smell with my oxydator.

I would get a little bit of a smell that reminded me of wet fallen trees occasionally before I started using mine.

 

[atoll]

The oxydator helps reduce smells but adds nothing of it's own like ozone can.

 

[Superlightman]

Ozone certainly has similar (but different) and likely more extensive changes to trace elements.

In the case of copper specifically, I think ozone won't do anything since the normal form of copper in seawater is fully oxidized already, while hydrogen peroxide actually acts as a reducing agent and converts Cu++ to Cu+.

I just want folks to recognize that it does more than just add O2, which is sometimes claimed. :)

What does that mean for no scientist, could have some negative effects or not?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

What does that mean for no scientist, could have some negative effects or not?

It means it has effects that folks do not typically consider, and that those effects might be good, bad, or unimportant, depending on the scenario.

Like any method, it's a reason to be cautious when duplicating part of what someone does, but not everything, despite how great their tank may be.

 

[cannoli56]

I have started using the oxydator w in my 240 gallon mixed reef with 12% peroxide with two catalysts. I started because of a new out break of ick. Not the normal ick we hate this was a super strain which caused me to lose most of my fish. The only two to survive were the hippo and magn.foxface. The cleaner shrimp also survived I would have thought that it would have gone first. My Gem, Flame, Khole, Powder Blue , Blue Spot Jawfish, and Phantom clowns all perished within a 10 day time span. Water parameters were all in acceptable range and all local fish shops had one possible cause that maybe the oxydator contributed to the rapid death , since it produces ozone when breaking down the solution. I was wondering if anyone had a bad experience with this. I have now reduced the solution to 6 % and will keep the two catalysts but am hesitant to put back into operation.

 

[vin's tank]

i am using 2 d's in my 65 gallon jbj.installed them about 2 months ago.i was in hyposaltinity due to ick in tank.after 75 days at 1.009 i'm up to 1.016.if ick comes back i will let you all know.hope to be at 1.024 in a few days.the 2 d's have 6% food grade peroxide installed.hope this cures ick for ever.

 

[TrottingReef]

I have started using the oxydator w in my 240 gallon mixed reef with 12% peroxide with two catalysts. I started because of a new out break of ick. Not the normal ick we hate this was a super strain which caused me to lose most of my fish. The only two to survive were the hippo and magn.foxface. The cleaner shrimp also survived I would have thought that it would have gone first. My Gem, Flame, Khole, Powder Blue , Blue Spot Jawfish, and Phantom clowns all perished within a 10 day time span. Water parameters were all in acceptable range and all local fish shops had one possible cause that maybe the oxydator contributed to the rapid death , since it produces ozone when breaking down the solution. I was wondering if anyone had a bad experience with this. I have now reduced the solution to 6 % and will keep the two catalysts but am hesitant to put back into operation.

Just a note, neither Ich or Velvet will kill your Cleaner Shrimp (not even a hypothetical Super Ich). While the tomont stage does afix to the exoskeleton of shrimp the trophont stage can't feed off the shrimp due to the exoskeleton. So it would have been more concerning if the shrimp had died vs that it survived.

Also your LFS buddy who blamed it on the oxydator does not understand how they work. It does not create ozone (O3) as it breaks down. H2O2 and O3 react with each other and the presence of O3 in the water will speed up the breakdown of the H2O2 into H2O and O2. So if the system used O3 already, it would just break down the H2O2 faster than if the O3 was not present. Since the Sochting Oxydator does not create O3 in its process they would have to add O3 to the tank via a O3 generator for there to be any O3 present in the system. Neither the presence of H2O2 nor O3 would have made a case of Ich or Velvet worse, if anything they would reduce the symptoms.

Sounds to me like you had a case of Velvet which is similar in how symptoms present for Ich but is much more fatal at a much faster rate. https://humble.fish/community/threads/the-difference-between-ich-velvet.532/

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

J It does not create ozone (O3) as it breaks down.

The person you are responding to has not been on in a year, but the point is well taken: adding hydrogen peroxide in any fashion does not produce ozone.

It can change the chemistry of the water in various ways, however, whether that is a benefit or a detriment.

 

[TrottingReef]

It can change the chemistry of the water in various, however, whether that is a benefit or a detriment.

Not arguing that at all. I don't use either H2O2 or O3 in my tanks. Just know that H2O2 breaking down does not create O3 just O2 and H2O and don't want people thinking his statements were accurate even if they are over a year old. Thats how aquarium myths are perpetuated by comments like above never getting corrected and then they get indexed by search engines and AI and represent those comments as accurate.

 

[DEdiver]

@Randy Holmes-Farley do you have any thoughts on the breakdown of H2O2 via oxydator vs UV?

I have been dosing 20 mL of 3% H2O2 in my 120g system's return chamber which gets pumped through a 55w lifegard amalgam uv sterilizer. I have been dosing four times per day for the past 9 weeks and it has successfully curbed a velvet outbreak. Test strips show H2O2 falling from about 2 ppm to <0.5 within 30 mins.

If someone is already running UV, would a continuous H2O2 dosing pump be equivalent to the effect of adding an oxydator?

I'm curious to try changing my dosing schedule to a continuous lower dose of H2O2, but I am also a little nervous about O2 supersaturation and gas bubble disease.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

@Randy Holmes-Farley do you have any thoughts on the breakdown of H2O2 via oxydator vs UV?

I have been dosing 20 mL of 3% H2O2 in my 120g system's return chamber which gets pumped through a 55w lifegard amalgam uv sterilizer. I have been dosing four times per day for the past 9 weeks and it has successfully curbed a velvet outbreak. Test strips show H2O2 falling from about 2 ppm to <0.5 within 30 mins.

If someone is already running UV, would a continuous H2O2 dosing pump be equivalent to the effect of adding an oxydator?

I'm curious to try changing my dosing schedule to a continuous lower dose of H2O2, but I am also a little nervous about O2 supersaturation and gas bubble disease.

An oxydator is supposed to keep the hydrogen peroxide fully inside its device, at least by some claims, though i doubt it that is true.

Just dosing it allows it to contact organisms and potentially impact more of the tank, even if a UV helps break it down.

You suggest the peroxide plus UV helped velvet by UV alone did not? Not doubting either way, just asking.

 

[atoll]

An oxydator is supposed to keep the hydrogen peroxide fully inside its device, at least by some claims, though i doubt it that is true.

Nope. Some peroxide does escape the Oxydators beaker.
I asked this question of Sochting sometime ago via the UK distributor who forwarded the reply to me. Copy of which attached.

Regarding the sticking to the manual. The recommendations within refer to the use of Oxydator's being used in FW not SW.

I was able through trial and error together with the use of a lab grade calibrated ORP meter to arrive at higher levels of peroxide and number catalysts could be used safely in SW reef tanks.
I run the Oxydator user group on Facebook and often advise on the model.of Oxydator, % of peroxide and numbers of catalysts based purely on my experiences using Oxydator's for over 40 years.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Nope. Some peroxide does escape the Oxydators beaker.
I asked this question of Sochting sometime ago via the UK distributor who forwarded the reply to me. Copy of which attached.

Regarding the sticking to the manual. The recommendations within refer to the use of Oxydator's being used in FW not SW.

I was able through trial and error together with the use of a lab grade calibrated ORP meter to arrive at higher levels of peroxide and number catalysts could be used safely in SW reef tanks.
I run the Oxydator user group on Facebook and often advise on the model.of Oxydator, % of peroxide and numbers of catalysts based purely on my experiences using Oxydator's for over 40 years.

Thanks on the post above. I understand the idea of release has changed over the years (or maybe just translations varied).

Curious that he mentions increased ORP. Do you find it increases or decreases ORP?

Folks adding hydrogen peroxide directly to a reef tank (or just seawater in a bucket) find it decreases ORP, probably by reducing metals such as copper to lower ORP forms.

 

[atoll]

Thanks on the post above. I understand the idea of release has changed over the years (or maybe just translations varied).

Curious that he mentions increased ORP. Do you find it increases or decreases ORP?

Folks adding hydrogen peroxide directly to a reef tank (or just seawater in a bucket) find it decreases ORP, probably by reducing metals such as copper to lower ORP forms.

Initially there is a decrease in ORP but it then begins to climb usually above what it was before the introduction of the Oxydator. Of course, much depends on what the initial ORP set point was prior to the use of the Oxydator.
I did have an explination as to why this happens but I'll be danged if I can recall it.

*EDIT*
Found this explination.
Quote "
An oxydator, or oxidizer like hydrogen peroxide, initially causes a drop in ORP (Oxidation-Reduction Potential) due to the consumption of oxygen by the introduced substance, but then the ORP rises as the oxidizer is used and the system adjusts. The initial drop is caused by the oxidizer reacting with existing substances in the water, consuming dissolved oxygen and reducing ORP. However, once the initial reaction subsides, the remaining oxidizer begins to increase the ORP by oxidizing other substances in the water.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Initial Drop:
  When an oxydator is introduced, it immediately begins to react with substances in the water, such as organic matter or other reducing agents.
  
  
• Oxygen Consumption:
  This reaction consumes dissolved oxygen, which is a strong oxidizing agent and a key factor in ORP. The consumption of oxygen leads to a temporary decrease in ORP, as the overall oxidizing capacity of the water is reduced.
  
  
• Rising ORP:
  As the initial reaction subsides and the oxidizer is used, the remaining oxidizer (e.g., hydrogen peroxide) begins to oxidize other substances in the water. This leads to an increase in the ORP, as the oxidizing potential of the water is restored and potentially enhanced.
  
  
• Equilibrium:
  Eventually, the system will reach a new equilibrium point where the ORP stabilizes at a higher level than before the oxidizer was introduced. This new equilibrium depends on the balance between the oxidizer, reducing agents, and other factors in the water.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

IMO, it drops ORP in seawater due to it being both a reducing agent and an oxidizer, and one critical redox active metal, copper, it reduces cupric copper (Cu++) to cuprous copper (Cu+).

 

[atoll]

IMO, it drops ORP in seawater due to it being both a reducing agent and an oxidizer, and one critical redox active metal, copper, it reduces cupric copper (Cu++) to cuprous copper (Cu+).

I edited my post to include an explination given for the dropping ORP and its subsequent rise. I assume you saw that, not that I expect it change your own view and explination. Suffice to say there is an initial drop then for it to rise.